Help me here if you can: I think it's fair to say that I put every bit as much consideration into my off-the-top-of-my-head statement as you put into yours, so I'm failing to understand why you didn't read mine and immediately see the light. I mean, if I said one of the letters of the alphabet was R and you said one of the letters of the alphabet was J I'd be like, "Why, yes, it is. Isn't that something?" And then I'd go on to wonder if there is more to this thinking things then just saying what's on the top of my head. But for you no lightbulb seems to have lit; there was no trace of hesitation in recognition of the utter vapidity of the original statement. You just went on as if you had said something that I was expected to think meaningful. Welcome, by the way, to EvC. I think you're going to find that some folks here aren't looking for something to swallow, but for something to digest.
And, yet, *if* in fact God created the Universe, then the Universe itself would not be independent of causation.
*If* worms had machine guns robins wouldn't eff with 'em. I think this is almost certainly true. However, that does not imply that worms do, in fact, have machine guns. They almost certainly don't. Something more is needed to establish oligochaeta armaments. Observations perhaps. Have you any observations of this "God" you speak of?
And *if* there is no God to create the Universe, then the Universe more or less assumes the place of *God,* no?
Yes: no. If a toad didn't create the Universe does that make the Universe a toad?
Matter of fact, I'm hard put to find any instance where I can't *if* contrary to reality; therefore, I'm thinking it would be most useful were *ifs* backed-up with something of substance *if* one is going to assert they conform to reality.
Furthermore, you seem to be confused as to where the burden of proof lies. It doesn't lie with those who do not assert knowledge. If I were a brushtail possum, and therefore unable to grasp the simplest of facts even with two opposable thumbs, do you suppose that everything said to me would be true because I don't have the wherewithal to say different?
How the Universe came to be or how life arose are faits accompli. If a god was in fact responsible for this it did it in a fashion that cannot be sussed out by pseudo-philosophy or real philosophy, for that matter because questions do not create reality.
"Mom! Ban Ki-moon made a non-binding resolution at me." Mohmoud Ahmadinejad
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