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Author Topic:   Can anything exist for an infinite time or outside of time?
Huntard
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Message 53 of 158 (557018)
04-22-2010 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
04-22-2010 6:58 AM


Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
There couldn't "be an infinite number of them" because you can't have an infinite number of anything.
Wanna really blow your mind? Think about this then: Not only can you have an infinite number of things. You can have an infinite amount of infinities.
Here's a nice documentary on infinities, I've posted it here before, but I think it's appropriate again here.
Link here

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Huntard
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Message 59 of 158 (557065)
04-22-2010 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
04-22-2010 9:14 AM


Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Thanks for the link. I'll try and check it out if I get time. I've been exceptionally busy this week due to the flight ban. There was a Horizon documentary on the BBC only a few weeks ago about infinity. I don't know if this is the same program. Unfortunately I only caught a bit of it.
No that was probably this one
Sorry, can't embed it it seems, damn japanese site!

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Huntard
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Message 132 of 158 (585035)
10-05-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by Bolder-dash
10-05-2010 2:38 AM


Re: No it doesn't
Bolder-dash writes:
Your coin tossing tournament doesn't guarantee at all that someone will call ten flips in a row correctly.
Yes it does. How? Quite simple, you have each of the two people predict a head/tails flip, they have to be mutually exclusive, one of them is correct and goes through to the next round. And so on, until, after ten rounds you have 1 person left who called all of them correctly.
In your tournament, during each round, who gets to make the call?
The contestants, and they have to be mutually excluding calls, no two "heads" or "tails" in a single pair.
You have two people, but only one can make the decision of what they are calling.
No, they both decide who takes the heads and who the tails.
So in order to proceed to the next round, there is no guarantee at all that you made a correct prediction, only that you may have been standing there, while someone else made the incorrect prediction.
Or that you made the correct prediction. Either way, that's quite irrelevant.
In that sense, every single person in the world, except the guy who made the incorrect prediction got it right.
No, because you only play in pairs. One will get it correct, the other one won't.
And thus your game won't work.
Not if played in your flawed way, yes, played the correct way, however, it does.
So I gladly challenge you to find someone to get ten correct guesses in a row, with just a few people and a few coins. How much are we wagering.
How about 10,000,000 Euros? I need 1024 people and I guarantee you that I will have one person who called every throw correctly after 10 throws.

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Huntard
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Message 135 of 158 (585044)
10-05-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Larni
10-05-2010 8:40 AM


Re: Can't believe it.
Larni writes:
t I kind of see boulder's point.
If I someone enters a tossing competition (fnar, fnar) would the odds of any one person getting 10 heads or 10 tails out of 10 rounds of tossing (hur, hur) be astonomically low?
One person, getting 10 hits in ten rounds in one go?
Have I missed something?
Well, the way I see it, if played by the rules I (and I think Bikerman too) laid out, the chance of one person getting it correct 10 times in a row is 100%. You see, you start wit 1024 people, half say heads, half say tails, half go throughto the next round. So 512 people left, again, half heads half tails, 256 people left, and so on. After ten tosses, 1 person is left, and he has predicted all 10 tosses correctly. Does that make it clearer?

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