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Author Topic:   Can anything exist for an infinite time or outside of time?
Bolder-dash
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Message 130 of 158 (585010)
10-05-2010 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Bikerman
07-30-2010 9:35 PM


No it doesn't
Well, your coin flip analogy, when just skimmed over without much deeper thought, sounds very clever, and one might walk away from it thinking that it is true. Only this is a problem, in my opinion similar to how evolutionists think, that just sounds clever because no one is thinking long (or correctly) about the details.
I find this type of problem exists in many people who think they are intellectual, by virtue of the fact that they said something which sounds hard to disagree with, and others will say oh that sounds smart-I am a believer too.
Well, here is the problem with your coin analogy, in case anyone, including yourself, missed it:
Your coin tossing tournament doesn't guarantee at all that someone will call ten flips in a row correctly. In your tournament, during each round, who gets to make the call? You have two people, but only one can make the decision of what they are calling. So in order to proceed to the next round, there is no guarantee at all that you made a correct prediction, only that you may have been standing there, while someone else made the incorrect prediction. In that sense, every single person in the world, except the guy who made the incorrect prediction got it right. And thus your game won't work. So I gladly challenge you to find someone to get ten correct guesses in a row, with just a few people and a few coins. How much are we wagering.
In life, I have found, it is easy for many people to think a lot, and still totally miss the obvious.

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Bolder-dash
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Message 140 of 158 (585197)
10-06-2010 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Huntard
10-05-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Can't believe it.
This is a great example of why so many of you have a hard time getting your head around the logical problems with evolution. You can't delve deeply enough into a problem, ut you are sure you have the answers.
The coin trick doesn't work-I am sorry to inform you. The error in your thinking is the key phrase you mentioned, "mutually exclusive." There is a logical contradiction hidden within the confines of the rules of the game. The objective is to choose a coin toss ten times. To choose means you have more than one option to select for. But now you are throwing in the caveat that one of the two may only choose from a pool of one selection, and not two. After one selection is made, the other does not have a selection. In a selection involving only one choice, the odds of getting it correct are no longer 50 percent. Thus the game breaks down. It a fools gamble.
To put it another way, it as if you no longer are tossing a coin. It doesn't need to take place at all. You are simply taking a room full of people, and telling half of them to go home. Its meaningless. You can decide which half goes home based on a coin toss, or which half of the room they are on, or whoever you point to. Whoever is deciding who goes home is deciding the outcome of the game. There is no fifty-fifty choice for the individuals going home, there is a choice made by a third party, which can be neither correct or incorrect.
There is always someone not making a fifty fifty choice in your game. Someone else is deciding for one of them what they must be identified with. Some of the time they might be making a fifty fifty choice, and some of the time they are not. The times when they are not making a fifty fifty choice does not qualify them as having guessed 10 times correctly, now does it? Someone else decided for them. The moment that the element of choice for one of the individuals has been broken, the game also has been broken. Sorry, no winners.
Put in the simplest of terms, dividing people in half ten times does not equate to making ten correct guesses.
The people who have the inability to see this, are likely to also be the people who have the inability to see why things such as evolution, are a farce.

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