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Author Topic:   Can anything exist for an infinite time or outside of time?
mwharton479
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Message 151 of 158 (590116)
11-06-2010 5:08 AM


If the TOE is correct then it would be unfathomable to believe that insignificant lifeforms on an insignificant planet in an insignificant galaxy could ever grasp the most minute iota of understanding of such complex concepts as time and space and all the ridiculously complex thought systems that man has a grasp on. That kind of higher thought, found only in humans only serves to undermine and negate the validity of the TOE.
But, if it must be discussed, the only explanation I need for man to possess such knowledge is his consumption of fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, sometimes referred to as the Tree of Conscience. God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
We should leave space and time to the one who didn't merely create it, but is actually the very essence of it. Only God knows when time started and when it ends because He is already there; "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
What we humans should then focus our energies on is what we are going to do with the time God has given us. It matters less where we came from and much more where humanity is going.

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mwharton479
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Message 154 of 158 (590142)
11-06-2010 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Nij
11-06-2010 5:29 AM


And guess what? You're well off-topic on that, here.
Discussing the discussion itself is actually on-topic. Said discussion being that the whole question of time and space does not fit into the TOE, which is strictly about survival, but the fact that a non-animal, human species actually concerns himself with the concept of time and space only proves to undermine the TOE, which in turn would imply a creator being responsible for time and space, because without the TOE, at least for the atheist, there can be no other force great enough to make a creature capable of the higher intellect required to discuss matters of time and space.
Edited by mwharton479, : No reason given.

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mwharton479
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Message 155 of 158 (590146)
11-06-2010 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Dr Adequate
11-06-2010 6:07 AM


If you genuinely believe that human intellect is superfluous to our requirements, then try doing without it.
What would a human pretending to be a monkey pretending to be a human pretending to be a monkey pretending to be a human pretending to be a monkey (you get the idea) solve? It wouldn't make an iota of difference relating to the matters of time and space.
A more sensible approach would be for you to trade places with a monkey in the wild and see how well your "smart human brain" is suited for survival. Maybe you'd realize that the human brain is better suited for higher thought than a monkey's brain that is more suited for survival. That concept is called "primal instinct" and monkeys have it, as do all animals, and humans don't, which is what separates non-animal humans from all other lifeforms on the earth. Do any other lifeforms on the earth, specifically animals, even have the slightest comprehension of time and space? Not unless it has to do with getting the next meal in their gullet.

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