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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design == Human Design?
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Message 48 of 196 (560459)
05-15-2010 10:19 AM
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05-15-2010 2:22 AM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
tesla writes:
The scientists of today are ignorant of why the greatest minds of mankind believed in God, ...
I doubt that you have any evidence to support this.
tesla writes:
They did not choose their beliefs because they were dumb. they chose to believe because they were smart.
It is more likely that they did not choose at all, but were simply raised at a time and place where religious indoctrination was a part of the cultural tradition.
Many of the scientists I have known were Christian. But their religion played no role in their science. They were very effective at compartmentalizing their lives. They did not bring their religion to the science lab, and they did not apply their scientific methods in their churches.
I should add here, that I am only assuming that they were Christian. I did not attempt to discuss religion with them, and they did not attempt to discuss religion with me. Moreover, I will admit that in the two cases where the topic of religion happened to come up, my assumption was probably wrong.
In one case my colleague, who was a regular Church attendee, confided that "it's a bunch of hooey." My best guess is that he was attending Church only as a social event.
In the other case I knew that my colleague regularly attended Church, and was the organist there. A bunch of people in the coffee room were talking - I am not sure what was the general topic. I remember throwing out the rhetorical question "what do you call an atheist who regularly attends Church?" Without hesitation, my colleague replied "The organist."

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Message 52 of 196 (560467)
05-15-2010 11:05 AM
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05-15-2010 10:37 AM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
tesla writes:
In order to debate a topic such as this i personally have to choose evidence over opinion.
There has been a severe scarcity of evidence in your posts.
tesla writes:
IE: can a vacuum exist without edges.
That's not evidence. That's a question, though poorly punctuated. As written, it is a meaningless question. You would have to precisely define what you mean by "vacuum" and what you mean by "edges", before anybody could make sense of it.

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Message 69 of 196 (560725)
05-17-2010 9:20 AM
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05-16-2010 10:48 PM


Re: a scientific approach to the intelligent design issue:
tesla writes:
vacuum : Negative pressure.
I don't think there is such a thing (unless you are actually talking of relative pressure - relative to the surroundings). That's not what people usually mean by "vacuum".
tesla writes:
edges : Having a boundary or a border
You can have pressure gradations without any need for boundaries. An example would be the gradation of pressure from the earth's atmosphere to the vacuum of outer space.

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Message 113 of 196 (562533)
05-29-2010 11:28 PM
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05-29-2010 10:04 PM


Re: topic
tesla writes:
Intelligent design proposal's simply say " The universe was created and designed by an intelligence".
However, there is no unambiguous evidence favoring this proposal.
tesla writes:
A question Ive often asked is: What would this change in science as a whole? or, What difference does it make to science?
The proponents of ID claim that it is science, and that it should be taught in the science curriculum. This would have the effect of putting worthless pseudo-science in the curriculum, and would tend to confuse students as to the nature of science.

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Message 123 of 196 (562606)
05-31-2010 12:01 PM
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05-31-2010 9:52 AM


Re: topic
tesla writes:
If no one likes ID, then call it a variable or another name. but don't ignore it.
I don't ignore ID. I laugh at its follies.

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Message 127 of 196 (562617)
05-31-2010 1:57 PM
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Re: topic
tesla writes:
What are it's follies?
The commitment to a God of the gaps, and the self delusion involved in that commitment.

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Message 170 of 196 (563368)
06-04-2010 2:37 PM
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06-04-2010 8:30 AM


Flying car
tesla writes:
since your so smart and all knowing how about my flying car now.
So you have a flying car? Interesting.
I'm wondering if this was you?

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