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Message 67 of 1273 (530468)
10-13-2009 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by traderdrew
10-13-2009 1:39 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Well I will tell you something, I am not a Creationist, I am a proponent of Intelligent Design and any body who refers to us as Creationists is disingenuous.
Ok so the Intelligent Designer just designs? Who creates? By virtue of claiming there is an Intelligent Designer you are implying there is a process of creation too. To claim otherwise would be disingenuous.

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Message 77 of 1273 (530670)
10-14-2009 1:02 PM
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10-14-2009 12:07 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
But how does the design for the "intelligent Designer" get implemented? As I have said, and you ahve refused to address, by stating their is a designer, you imply there is a creator.

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Message 78 of 1273 (530671)
10-14-2009 1:04 PM
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10-14-2009 11:58 AM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Intelligent Design derives its ideas from the evidence.
Where is the research that shows this?

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Message 79 of 1273 (530672)
10-14-2009 1:10 PM
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10-14-2009 12:24 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
I can only show anecdotal evidence that a designer was present at the time.
Anecdotal evidence? You are basing it all on anecdotal evidence? I can find anecdotal evidence that Elvis is still alive. I can find anecdotal evidence that aliens have experimented on people. That doe snot mean that either of these have any basis in reality.

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Message 87 of 1273 (531206)
10-16-2009 1:38 PM
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10-16-2009 11:11 AM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
You seem to be trying to dissemble here. You make all these claims for an intelligent designer(supernatural would seem to be the only choice for this), but think you can divorce that from a creator. A design is worthless if there is no creation of that design. Without the creation of the design we would not know there was a design in the first place.
Lets put it this way. How did this Intelligent Designer implement the designs? There has to be a mechanism for the designs to be implemented. Can you explain the mechanism?
How long have you been seaching the net and this forum? Are you sure you want to find it? After 1,000 posts around here I would think you would have found some if you were looking for it but still you apparently haven't.
It has been shown to you numerous times that you have never presented ANY evidence for a designer. There are natural explanations for everything you have presented. Please show us one piece of evidence that points to a designer.
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Message 91 of 1273 (531556)
10-18-2009 4:04 PM
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10-18-2009 3:59 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
How do designers make a book or cook a dinner? You see there maybe more than one way and more than one tool to use.
In other words you have no mechanisms or ideas of how it works. All you have is "I believe evolution is wrong, therefore there must be an intelligent designer."
Don't you see the intellectual dishonesty when you have a robust theory with LOTS of scientific evidence, but for some reason(which you refuse to explain) you discount it and advocate an idea that has NO evidence, NO science to support it.

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Message 1178 of 1273 (550316)
03-14-2010 4:05 PM
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03-13-2010 12:55 PM


Re: ID and the Designer
quote:
Clearly you didn't understand the question. I could clarify yet again, but until you help me understand how your response makes any sense in the context of the question there isn't any point to responding to this or anything in your message since it is full of equally puzzling malapropisms, but on the scale of concepts rather than words. It's like you're using something that feels like logical thinking to you but only to you.
One of the questions youa sked was: "Can you name any legitimate field of science that makes an analogous claim in the absence of supporting evidence? You can't, right?"
And my answer was SETI.
Well SETI isn't a field of science. It is using science to try to find some evidence of ET life, but It is in no way a "field" of science.
Care to try again?
Also, Percy has explained clearly why it doesn't work as an answer, but as always you refuse to even consider you might be wrong.

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Message 1195 of 1273 (550919)
03-19-2010 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1194 by RAZD
03-19-2010 1:40 PM


Sooner or later
You would think that sooner or later SO would quit posting crap he doesn't understand that is posted on websites that don't understand it.
I can only think that he browses the fundie, flat earth, and geocentric, websites looking for key words so he can post responses here. It isn't like he is wrong just some of the time.
Delusion is a scary thing ain't it.

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