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# What exactly is ID?

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greyseal
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 Message 820 of 1273 (544256) 01-25-2010 5:29 AM Reply to: Message 819 by Brad H01-25-2010 5:04 AM

Re: Moderator Request for Specifics
sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but 26 is ireland.
The entire world does not revolve around the USA and as such numbers are, very much, just numbers and the two you listed really are just numbers.
I'm not sure what you were trying to prove, but there's nothing inherently special about either of them.

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greyseal
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 Message 823 of 1273 (544266) 01-25-2010 7:27 AM Reply to: Message 822 by Brad H01-25-2010 7:06 AM

Re: Numbers
so, you are suggesting that the "owner" of a valid phone-number (a known restaurant, movie theatre, or whatever) lends the actual numbers some intrinsic value that those numbers didn't have before?
Ok, I'm thinking of a string of seven digits.
You try looking in the phonebook and I'll write the numbers down - when you don't get the same number-string I'm thinking of, will MY set of numbers carry any more inherent, intrinsic value?
Edited by greyseal, : No reason given.

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greyseal
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 Message 833 of 1273 (544291) 01-25-2010 9:49 AM Reply to: Message 827 by Brad H01-25-2010 8:31 AM

Re: Numbers
Once you "thought" of a number it then became more functional for this exercise then all other seven digit numbers. In fact no other numbers except that one you were thinking of would have fit the criteria for being "the number you were thinking of."
Entirely true, but that doesn't make the numbers themselves anything more than what they are - which are numbers.
I could think up a meta-number which is "all the number-strings everywhere, ever" and it wouldn't mean a thing, but it would still fit the criteria of "guess what I'm thinking of".
the point I'm trying to make, and strangely enough you seem to agree with me although I'll bet you say you don't, is that information is information whether it's understood or not.
with your two original numbers, the only "meaning" of the 1-800 number was what YOU gave it. I could equally say that, since I can't call a 1-800 from Europe, but I *can* call Ireland (which is the 26 number) that the 26 number is the "information" and the 1-800 is not.
If you didn't mean it that way, then (seeing as I *did* jump in) it's entirely possible I've misunderstood what you meant, but you seemed to be saying that because YOU found your number to be useful, that the numbers themselves within the string were somehow imbued with more value than the other number string - which I don't think is a valid assumption.

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greyseal
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 Message 840 of 1273 (544310) 01-25-2010 11:42 AM Reply to: Message 838 by Brad H01-25-2010 11:35 AM

Re: Numbers
Yes all information is information regardless of an entity that can understand it. But not all possibilities of information produce specific functions, and that is the point that I am trying to make. Only those possibilities that are designed to be read and interpreted can produce a specific and useful function.
but you said that your 1-800 number WAS information whilst the other number wasn't - when the information was in the eye of the beholder (you)...

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