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Luweewu
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Message 52 of 1273 (528762)
10-06-2009 9:43 PM


40 years in the thinking
Greetings
Intelligent design is to me fundamental in the understanding of reality.
Why ?
Questions that are orphaned by randomness or 'creationism'
are answered by it.
How can creationism be orphaned by ID? Simple.
The laws.
Religious creationism requires laws to be 'worked within' by a god of that religion. Gods of religion can create worlds. But not worlds that that do not maintain their structure without the laws.
Where do the laws come from.?
They have always existed.. no?
But, If bang theory is correct. They came to be ballanced and true.
Ready to produce an 'evolutionary' crop of stars that would result in life and anti-entropic complex systems.
Such ballance does not just 'appear from nowhere' [does it evolve?]
Einstien said imagination is a far more powerfull tool in understanding reality than intelligence.
I will use it..
Reality, the observed universe, seems a thing designed with a set of laws. Those laws we know the effect of but not the cause.
Gravity and space are still mystery. As is the plastic nature of time as revealed by special relativity.
We know very little and thus it is hard to encompass the nature of our reality in mind..
I try. I hope you do as well.. this is why we are here.
Luwee
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The 40 years of thinking simply means i have found more interesting questions than what burger tastes best.
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Luweewu
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Message 53 of 1273 (528792)
10-07-2009 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Coyote
07-20-2009 6:47 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Coyote
Assertion based of religious belief? false premis.
You assume that ID is based only in the lowest form of fiction.
Why? [i know well why as do you. We as human beings cannot fail, to wish one thing, purpose. Even though it is a creation of manipulators. They are good at their craft.]
Understand.. my 'bar of belief is ruthless' I do not gain empirical knowledge from the 'one book' But from experience of the one reality i exist in, and process through the machinery of mind i have made. This is what 'empirical' means.
All the best
Luwee
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Luweewu
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Message 54 of 1273 (528794)
10-07-2009 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by traderdrew
07-20-2009 4:39 PM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Trader
Fossils?
What have fossils to do with the structure of reality?

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Luweewu
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Message 56 of 1273 (528809)
10-07-2009 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Coyote
10-07-2009 12:32 AM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Coyote
I cannot agree.
I suggest ID is to you a way of discrediting a fiction called religion.
And in the doing the really interesting stuff is thrown out with the dishwater.
I understand well this stance.
How do we live with the idiocy of the "i want it to be so"
Luwee
----edit
Science cannot even desribe time dilation to kids in school. When they would best understand this 'science'. Few even know what science means. I taught my child everything i knew at the time..
She is now a child psychologist..lol
Edited by Luweewu, : science

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Luweewu
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Message 59 of 1273 (528831)
10-07-2009 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Larni
10-07-2009 4:18 AM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Larni
Thanks. And yes it is. I hope there is not too much 'specialisation'
After all, one of our biggest snafu's is putting things in boxes.
I describe myself as a specialising non-specialist.
You cant talk about sysytem X without including system Y.
Everything is connection.
Luwee
------edit
think of the vienna circle , can you imagine Carnap telling Godel to keep 'on topic'
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Higher? my daughter @10 understood it.
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Edited by Luweewu, : ?

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Luweewu
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Message 60 of 1273 (528833)
10-07-2009 7:22 AM
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10-07-2009 12:32 AM


Re: What is Intelligent Design?
Coyote
I was not putting you down brother.. I agree.
Religion and it's 'ways' are limmited at best and true evil at it;s worst, As is any human creed.
We live in a new rennaisance, and that means we dont know what the ****
is going on.
Now. The thread is ID. Time to get back to that topic
Edited by Luweewu, : Back on topic

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Luweewu
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Message 62 of 1273 (528941)
10-07-2009 3:43 PM


Goodbye
once again i strutted my minute on the stage,
All sound and fury signifying nothing.
Fair thee well.

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