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Portillo
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Message 1252 of 1273 (626696)
07-30-2011 11:05 PM


ID is the theory that things are intelligently designed. Like the computer your using or the car you drive didnt evolve on their own, but were specifically designed by an intelligence. That kind of theory is applied to life and the universe.

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Portillo
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Message 1260 of 1273 (628144)
08-07-2011 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1254 by Coyote
07-30-2011 11:50 PM


Re: Explaining ID
quote:
OK, here is your chance. Explain ID in such a way that it can be a theory. So, here is your big chance. Explain ID in such a way as to qualify as science using the rules and methods of science. Since ID claims to be a science, it must adhere to the rules and methods of science.
ID is no different to any sciences except for the fact that it claims that things are designed, not random accidents. For example, if you study a computer and you learn that the computer has a designer, does that mean that science no longer works when researching a computer? One ameba cell equals 1000 sets of an encyclopedia. So if you spelled out the information in English and printed it in books, it would fill out 1000 sets. If the simplest forms of life have so much complex information, it can be argued that it is the result of an intelligent mind. Would you ever believe me if I told you that my encyclopedia set created itself or would you insist that there was a designer?
A living cell is much more complicated and ingenious than any manmade machine. In a pinhead of DNA, the information stored would take 15 million million books to contain the information. There would be enough information to go from here to the moon 500 times. SETI, which looks for intelligent life in space are looking for signs of intelligence. How exactly would they determine intelligence? If they got a reply with the numbers 1-100 neatly written out, do you think it would infer intelligence? The reason intelligent design isnt considered science "is because of the materialistic and naturalistic philosophy that dominates culture. It is presupposed. Many scientists who dissent from this worldview have experienced intense hostility and persecution."

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Portillo
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Message 1269 of 1273 (628517)
08-10-2011 5:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1259 by Panda
07-31-2011 7:02 PM


Explanatory Filter for Design
quote:
"How do I tell if it is designed?"
William Dembski proposes three possibilities: law, chance or design.
1. Natural Law explains regularity: For the filter to eliminate regularity, one must establish that a multiplicity of possibilities is compatible with the given antecedent circumstance (recall that regularity admits only one possible consequence for a given antecedent circumstance); hence to eliminate regularity is to establish a multiplicity of possible consequences.
2 Chance explains real randomness: For law to explain an outcome there must only be a limited number of possible outcomes all predictable from the circumstances. These are events of high probability. If there are many possible different outcomes, then law cannot explain it.
3. Only after law and chance have been excluded is design assumed to be the cause. These events are characterized by patterns that are both specified and of vanishingly small probabilities. Specified events of small probability do not occur by chance.

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