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Author Topic:   Air Force Academy creates worship area for Pagans, Druids, and Wiccans
Coyote
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Message 139 of 244 (556949)
04-21-2010 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
04-21-2010 7:18 PM


Freedom of religion
Sorry, freedom of religion IS derived from Christianity whether you can see it or not. It has to do with the recognition of the individual's conscience in determining his own private relationship with God. That did come through Locke from Owen as I understand it...

I suspect that freedom of religion came more from the Enlightenment than the Restoration.

The Enlightenment showed us that we no longer have to kowtow to religion, and that, in western society at least, religion was no longer allowed to rule secular society.

Stripped of their ability to rule and establish a theocracy, various religions (and sects, denominations, etc.) were forced to fight it out among themselves. None was able to dominate as had been the case in the past.

That said, let me ask you a question: If you could, would you prohibit the Air Force Academy from setting aside that area for the wiccans, pagans, etc.?


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Coyote
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Message 142 of 244 (556953)
04-21-2010 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Faith
04-21-2010 9:33 PM


Re: Freedom of religion
Various clips from Wiki:

The Enlightenment is held to be the source of critical ideas, such as the centrality of freedom, democracy, and reason as primary values of society. This view argues that the establishment of a contractual basis of rights would lead to the market mechanism and capitalism, the scientific method, religious tolerance, and the organization of states into self-governing republics through democratic means. ...

Dorinda Outram provides a good example of a standard, intellectual definition of the Enlightenment:

Enlightenment was a desire for human affairs to be guided by rationality rather than by faith, superstition, or revelation; a belief in the power of human reason to change society and liberate the individual from the restraints of custom or arbitrary authority; all backed up by a world view increasingly validated by science rather than by religion or tradition.

It would seem that you are more comfortable with pre-Enlightenment thought.

How do you feel about a theocracy (with your guys in charge, of course)?


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Coyote
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Message 159 of 244 (556982)
04-22-2010 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
04-22-2010 1:25 AM


Re: Freedom of religion
Theocracy is impossible in a fallen world unless you're ancient Israel and America isn't.

Fallen world?

Sorry, you've gone off the deep end there. No such thing.

That is a religious myth, and does not reflect reality in any way.

You may believe it, but that doesn't make it so.

And no, theocracy is not impossible. There are a lot of folks in this country who would like to impose a theocracy--it they could. They would be in charge of course.

I can point you to some links if you like (tomorrow).


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Coyote
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Message 218 of 244 (557354)
04-24-2010 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Buzsaw
04-24-2010 4:54 PM


Re: Voting Rights and other nonsense
Buz -- Where do you come up with this stuff?

Is this in the Bible? Or do you make this up on your own?

Seriously.


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Coyote
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Message 223 of 244 (557366)
04-24-2010 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Buzsaw
04-24-2010 8:28 PM


Re: Topic Drift
You're probably right about topic drift.

If you start a separate thread I'll be happy to participate. I have a few opinions to offer.


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Coyote
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Message 230 of 244 (557383)
04-24-2010 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Rrhain
04-24-2010 9:31 PM


Traditional religion
And you do understand that your own religion is far less "traditional" than the one it was born from, yes? So if you can accept the fact that your new-fangled idea is better than the traditional one, why is it you are having such a hard time realizing that your traditional idea isn't nearly as good as the more recent one?

If one wants to follow a traditional religion one has to look farther back then a few thousand years.

One might find that Old Man Coyote was here long before these upstart religions came about.


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Coyote
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Message 240 of 244 (557453)
04-25-2010 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Buzsaw
04-25-2010 8:22 PM


Re: Please Create a New Topic, Buz
My impetus on the role of the genders is that both have their respective strengths and weaknesses.

We understand that.

But what we don't follow is the biblical version of things that you seem to be unable to get away from, no matter how much some of it is out of touch in the current world. And not just out of touch, but just plain wrong!

One should honor tradition when it serves, but be willing to shed those traditions which no longer serve any useful purpose.

And just because it ended up in the bible is no reason to accept and follow nonsense.

Please do start a new topic.

(Don flameproof suit.)


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Coyote
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Message 242 of 244 (557459)
04-25-2010 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Buzsaw
04-25-2010 8:59 PM


Re: Please Create a New Topic, Buz
Thanks. See you there.


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