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Author Topic:   Creationist problems with radiocarbon dating
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Message 110 of 194 (683865)
12-14-2012 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
04-19-2010 10:07 AM


Calibrated Thinker writes:
What repeatable, verifiable evidence can you provide that confirms the accuracy of any of the radiometric dating methods currently used today.

I feel quite sure that we will have to agree to disagree on the veracity of dating techniques, but if you wish to go through the usual arguments, I can oblige but it is likely going to a repetition of the same debate.

I live in a coal mining town in Australia and see first hand a massive volume of evidence for a massive flood event on a whole planet scale. Interestingly atop and below each coal seam are leaves sticks and twigs that are still wood, and look very much like leaves and twigs that you find on the forest floor when bush walking. Obviously the temperature was insufficient at the margins to convert this material to anthracite as is the case only centimetres away.
By the way these coal seams are about 150 metres to 200 metres below the surface under a range of sedimentary strata that all have knife edge boundaries in the horizontal plane. My point being that this is typical of rapid deposition. Interestingly enough these are dated by radiometric methods as being late Permian 255 Ma. Amazing that sticks and leaves have lasted that long without deterioration don't you think. The seams are exposed in huge open cut pits.

The RD age doesn't fit the logical explanation that the coal and the sticks aren't as old as many would like make out. This is not hearsay, I'm talking about what I see with my own eyes.
It is the interpretation that dictates the result. ...

Go for it, the dialogue could hopefully prove to be stimulating.

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Message 114 of 194 (683876)
12-14-2012 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Percy
12-14-2012 8:16 AM


Percy çäðàâñòâóéòå.

Êàêàÿ âñå òàêè íå ñîâåðøåííàÿ ó íàñ òåõíèêà ïåðåâîäà.
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Percy What language is that at the bottom of your posts?
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Âû íàâåðíîå õîòåëè ñïðîñèòü íà êàêîì ÿçûêå ÿ èçúÿñíÿþñü.
ß Russian
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Percy What exactly is your problem with radiocarbon dating, besides that you reject it?
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Òåïåðü î ãëàâíîì. ïîíÿòíî ÷òî àðãóìåíòû ïàëî÷åê è ëèñòî÷êîâ ïîäàííûå ãîñïîäèíîì Calibrated Thinker íå ñëóæàò 100% àðãóìåíòîì. Ìàëî ëè êàê îíè òóäà ïîïàëè. Íî åñòü Message 339 http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=1340&mpp=15... ÿ ïèñàë êàê îòñòóïàëà âîäà. äàííûé êîíòåêñò ê òîìó æå ìîæíî îòíåñòè è ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè ïðè êîòîðîé øëà ýâîëþöèîííàÿ ðàñêðóòêà äàòèðîâàíèÿ. Íî ýòî òàê æå â ãðóáîì òàê ñêàçàòü èñ÷èñëåíèè. Íî òåì íå ìåíåå óãîëü ïðè òàêîé ïîñòàíîâêå ê íàì ðàñïîëàãàåòñÿ áëèæå âñåõ. Íî åñëè äåòàëüíåé òî âèäèìî íóæíî åùå ïîòðàòèòü ãîäû ÷òî áû ðàññòàâèòü âñå ïî ñâîèì ìåñòàì. Íóæíî íàéòè âèíîâíèêà çàïå÷àòûâàíèÿ â óãîëü è â ìåë â òîì ÷èñëå. åñòü åùå èçâåñòíÿêè. Åìó òàê æå íóæíî óäåëèòü íåêîòîðîå âíèìàíèå. À âèíîâíèêè êàê ìíå äóìàåòñÿ ýòî ãëîáàëüíûå êàòàñòðîôû êîòîðûå â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü åùå è æóòêî ìåíÿëè ôàñàä ïëàíåòû. Òàê ÷òî è ïî ôàñàäó òîæå íå ãðåõ ïðîáåæàòüñÿ. ß íå çíàþ êàê â êðàòêîì èçëîæåíèè îïèñàòü âñå íàçâàíûå îïðåäåëåíèÿ. ß äóìàþ ñàìîå ìàëîå ýòî òîì â íåñêîëüêî èçäàíèé. Êîòîðûå çàòàèëèñü ãäå òî â ãîëîâå è èõ îò òóäà åùå íóæíî èçâëå÷ü. Õîòÿ ðóññêîìó ïðàâèòåëüñòâó òàêèå ïðîáëåìû íå íóæíû. Âîò ÿ è ïðèøåë ñþäà. Íàäåþñü ÷òî ïî àäðåñó.


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Message 116 of 194 (683887)
12-14-2012 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Percy
12-14-2012 9:25 AM


Or maybe you're having character set problems?

Since translators don't recognize the language you're using I have no idea what you wrote, and in any event, on this board we use English.
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Î÷åíü äàæå ìîæåò áûòü íî ìîé íàáîð ñèìâîëîâ ñîçâó÷åí òîìó ÷åìó ó÷èëà ìåíÿ ìîÿ ìàìàêà. À îíà ãîâîðèò ÷òî îíà Russian ÷èñòûõ êðîâåé.
Íî ÿ äóìàþ ÷òî ñêîðî ÿ ýòó ïðîáëåìó ñìîãó ðåøèòü ÿ äàë îáúÿâëåíèå íà êà÷åñòâåííîãî ïåðåâîä÷èêà.
Êîíå÷íî åñëè òàêîâîé ñóùåñòâóåò.  ïðîòèâíîì ñëó÷àå ÿçûêîâîé áàðüåð ìåæäó íàøèì îáùåíèåì êîíå÷íî óáðàòü áóäåò ïðîáëåìàòè÷íî.
Íî â ëþáîì ñëó÷àå Âû ïðàâèëüíî ïîíÿëè ÷òî ó ìåíÿ åñòü èìåííî ïðåòåíçèè ê ðàäèîóãëåðîäíîìó äàòèðîâàíèþ. À ýòî ÿ ïîëàãàþ óæå âåëèêèé ïðîãðåññ â íàøåì îáùåíèè.

Íàäåþñü è â äàëüíåéøåì ìû òàê æå õîðîøî áóäåì ïîíèìàòü äðóã äðóãà.

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Message 118 of 194 (683925)
12-14-2012 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Percy
12-14-2012 10:58 AM


Of course I understand. Still, the translator of any moves. Though with the mrakobesnymi distortion. And I certainly understand what you asked me about whether I have a decision about dating. Of course, I have an option. But if I now without preparation you'll post it, you'll find me for a madman. On this, I gave you for only the direction of preparation, namely the link where I explained the movement of water and the possible reasons for this movement.
I want to convey to your ear that is logically equivalent, and this is something where water naturally begins to be born there. I hope this fact nor who would refute. Take the first time charcoal and chalk. The coal seams lie below the chalk. And if you have read my link Message 339 http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=1340&mpp=15... where I explained that water flows down into the cracks and crevices. The old reservoirs are drying up. It follows that Mel was dry at a younger age. But that's why carbon dating method that does not see, I cannot say. Well, except for one option. Mel defies aging. He was among the causes will look always young and sensibly. (A) coal did not pass the handle that was Mel.
But while I can't explain. This I can make a mistake. You have to understand me. Russian Science never was at a height. The whole world knows this. They only pretend that everything is wonderful, but the only that can it look what Uncle Sam will propose http://static.newsland.ru/news_images/884/884292.jpg All great discoveries were made not in Russia. Tips only skillfully copied world achievements.
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Message 125 of 194 (684127)
12-15-2012 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by morningstar2008
12-14-2012 2:15 PM


Not however will I understand? Some sediment remained from meeting with America. By a country hospitable and cordial. Why that I disbelieve that a problem of the computer formatting was here a basic problem.
But now however. I will go in Zimbabwe can on a black continent people will be ïîñîîáðàçèòåëüíåé, And their computers will not give out a virus.
Well, and suitcase it I abandon you.
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Message 339 http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=1340&mpp=15...
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I suppose here, a virus will not penetrate read not bad. Only however problem with a translator again. Well, really will there be not a single Russian in all America? At one time there so much emigrated to the people. That, perhaps, Russians there now more than native population.

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morningstar2008
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Message 127 of 194 (684141)
12-16-2012 12:02 AM
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12-15-2012 11:00 PM


Now the dirty translation from English into Russian, you Dear Panda me somewhat rebuked. But that's if you believe the translator. Well actually maybe you I was offered around carefully to understand. But how do I know the true direction of your thoughts? From this conclusion, until we reach the semantic turn in translations of our thoughts, our peoples will never agree with one another. (A) require from me whatever I studied English?
Maybe you're right. But if I now follow your advice what should I study languages of all peoples of the world. Not ambiguous, but true. After all, it is my intention to push through his idea at least in one of the many countries of the world. And if you've zaprâgaete in the sense that I have given almost chewed material. And we only have to take a spoonful and swallow it.
In addition I must once and bow to you in the legs. If it were in my power I would personally came and bowed to each of you who speaks broken English and language explained the purpose of his visit. But I created a theory which is able to break down the whole sustainable peace science. It's part of dating was the main foundation of all that is wrong with nagromoždeno over the years. Alas I don't what to say.
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Message 129 of 194 (684150)
12-16-2012 2:26 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by dwise1
12-16-2012 12:23 AM


Out of all your text I saw only one word (crazy). What it means in English, and when they are Americans. The meaning of one word can change a whole track further communication. There is a saying in Russia. In writing expressions (executed cannot be pardon). How to properly put a punctuation mark, and will look like the meaning of the message. Unfortunately, in your case the DELIRIUM means how to execute cannot be pardoned.
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morningstar2008
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Message 132 of 194 (684159)
12-16-2012 4:22 AM
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12-16-2012 3:31 AM


I am sure that you have correctly selected the decision. But I want to take time out to listen to other English-speaking citizens.

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Message 133 of 194 (684160)
12-16-2012 4:36 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by NoNukes
12-16-2012 4:08 AM


Re: Suggestion
Thanks for the useful advice, But I had already done. It turns out the more obvious how to speak. Shorter than wild horses neighing. and I'm in complete hysterics. The only thing I can suggest is a reference to the original text in pictures. And then you have to decrypt already my original Scribble. The package I gathered my view should reflect to us the essence of the fallacy of the radiocarbon method.
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Message 135 of 194 (684171)
12-16-2012 8:25 AM
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12-16-2012 7:01 AM


Re: Suggestion
They are not well translated. So as we say in Russia "horseradish radish is sweeter" your writing I have to scroll down just a few translators. One's lying in one place the other in another. But if I do not understand it Paul woes. But if my text on there dropped comma, or something like that. Not the word. What is your impression on so many iskazâtsâ that you are not nice to doslušivat′ until the end. And I'm a man of his word. And if my word is distorted for me it will be a big hit. Yes, and it is not the most important thing. Chief is still the truth. And it is worth more than any words.
For me now the main thing that you have learned only one thing. From chalk and coal is split by time which depends at what point the water filled up one or the other pools. The crust broke dropping the level of the oceans. Will be a time of course everything will fall into place. And apparently still do not need to send an expedition that would check all my arguments. But my point should be understood today. And from this point to begin a new reference point.
And further on is the cause and effect of the Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, and others. Will talk about the Mariana hollow. And what are the Northern lowlands. It's all Dells are alternately water swamped during the lifetime of an evolutionary world.
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Message 136 of 194 (684173)
12-16-2012 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Panda
12-16-2012 7:01 AM


Re: Suggestion
Created a translation
http://translate.google.co.uk/?hl=en&tab=wT#ru/en/
Determine the difference.
They all do not translate well. So as we say in Russia, "Horseradish is not sweeter than" your text once I scroll through a few translators. One lies in the same place in each other. But if I do not understand it's even half woes. But if in my text on the back dropped comma, or something like that. Not the word. What are your impressions on so much to distort that you will not be pleased doslushivat through. And I'm a man of the word. And if my word is distorted for me it will be a big blow. And it's not the main thing. Mostly still is truth. And it is more than words.
For me now the main thing that you understand only one thing. Of chalk and charcoal is time sharing which depends on at what point the water fills one or the other pools. The crust cracked lowering the level of the oceans. The time will surely everything will fall into place. And apparently still need to send more than one expedition that would check all of my arguments. But my idea is to be understood today. And from this moment to begin a new point of reference.
And then it will cause and consequence for the Pacific Atlantic, Indian, and others. We will talk about the Mariana Trench. And for what are the northern lowlands. Dell is all that alternately flooded with water in the course of evolutionary time of the planet.

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Message 138 of 194 (684195)
12-16-2012 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by RAZD
12-14-2012 11:04 PM


for RAZD
For RAZD
Curiously, your opinion is strangely incapable of changing one type of rock into another. Limestone is determined by the chemical content of the stones, and sandstone is determined by the chemical content of the stones. Sandstone hardened (solidified?) is still sandstone.
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I probably will answer even though the quality of translation simply disgusting, but still can be confused with limestone chalk. But this fact in that my post is not important. The main role is played by the hardened sandstone. Which I think is difficult to confuse with any breed. http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/ibr2020-12/view/674138?page=0
I breed presented in this order have not yet met. And the fact that this fact holds. He turns all of paleontology as a whole. In any case, these ancient limestone on the planet should not meet or anything. And if carbon dating puts it later any of the periods, it already means that this method can be put into question. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.0/0_80043_c2b863f6_XXL.jpg


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Message 140 of 194 (684201)
12-16-2012 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by foreveryoung
12-16-2012 1:07 PM


foreveryoung
morningstar writes:
Of chalk and charcoal is time sharing which depends on at what point the water fills one or the other pools.
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foreveryoung writes: I think he is saying the formation of chalk and charcoal depend on the timing of some water process.
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You are a bit wrong. Coal contains no wood. It consists entirely of the remains of marine animals. Charcoal not exist. In any case, should not exist for many reasons.
However, there is a small paradox.

In fact that the oceans were formed relatively long And before their main volume was in Russian lowlands by the fact that large amounts of peat are in different places in thick coats. Even Ural hills contain them in large quantities. The so-called Moscow syneclise spent quite a thorough research on the subject of their biology.
The bulk of this marine animals. What was the depth of the sea can only be guessed at. But along with the Russian lowland peat bogs also contain coal reserves. But the issue of how to combine the direct vicinity of coal mines and peat science comments on this account, as far as I know, did not do, even though they both lie on some platforms. However, what is coal? It burned peatlands. Conversion of peat into coal deposits occur in the oxygen-free combustion. Moreover, the Russian lowland moors young enough education. Not seldom coal mines descend to a depth of 2000 meters. But it is in the layers of ancient rock is filled cavities in the earth's crust. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.0/0_80057_263b5bbb_XXL.jpg


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Message 142 of 194 (684247)
12-16-2012 9:17 PM
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12-16-2012 2:46 PM


Percy
I'm trying to give you the opportunity to question the correctness of the chosen method of dating. If I have it wrong? Although I have given enough valid arguments. And the rest is up to you. And why is my experience tells me that the problem is not distorted translation. The problem is much broader. I think that I should have to prove to you that the earth is round, and the water liquid. And round it on the water liquid. And if we drip a few drops in one part of the world, there is not any assurance that at this point the water has become greater. Excess liquid and appeared just catch up on the planet. But a man asks a question, respectively. Well, where radiocarbon dating. Include the brain gentlemen. Would answer, I am a rational person. For not using all the resources capabilities of gray matter is not possible to understand the fullness of the subject. In principle, carbon dating only confuses. But we seem to only need a good translator. Otherwise, from a place we did not move.
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Message 145 of 194 (684277)
12-16-2012 11:06 PM
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12-16-2012 10:37 PM


NoNukes
NoNukes Let's also remember that dates obtained by carbon dating are of necessity less than 50,000 years in the past. No scientist claims carbon dating to be of any use for measuring ages greater than that.

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I love you very well understood. And you quite rightly noted that the scheme is capable of radiocarbon measurements reflect only the young structure of the soil. I have yet to introduce the battle over heavy weapons on the grounds that its use should be more careful preparation. But even using simplified methods can be noticed that dating such a way as radiocarbon introduced hastily. And rely on its data at least as tactfully. http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/...702.0/0_8006e_9789628f_XXL.jpg


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