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Author Topic:   Creationist problems with radiocarbon dating
IchiBan
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Message 51 of 194 (556878)
04-21-2010 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by dwise1
04-20-2010 4:02 PM


Re: RATE
The evolutionists such as coyote spend a lot of their time calling creationists works bad science and/or lying, but it is the evolutionists here who operate from anonymity making their charges while the creationists put their name on their works and when you read the articles you find them well sourced etc.

It seems all the evolutionist can do is throw his stones from the cloak of anonymity. That alone should be telling to an outsider observing the debate.


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IchiBan
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Message 66 of 194 (557172)
04-23-2010 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Coyote
04-19-2010 11:59 AM


The end result is an estimate or guess of what the age of the article is, and it should be given no more weight than that.

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IchiBan
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Message 69 of 194 (557186)
04-23-2010 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Coyote
04-23-2010 12:24 PM


Re: Guess???
Anything concerning creation theory (or whatever you want to call it) does not enter into it, its just one of your red herrings presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. You rely on red herrings a lot dont you.

The truth is there are so many assumptions and variables these dating methods are based on the only scientifically honest answer is that they are an estimate/guess.

Here is a source from the NDT Resource Center so you cant reject it right off as 'creationist lies'

Radio-carbon dating is a method of obtaining age estimates on organic materials. The word "estimates" is used because there is a significant amount of uncertainty in these measurements. Each sample type has specific problems associated with its use for dating purposes, including contamination and special environmental effects. More information on the sources of error in carbon dating are presented at the bottom of this page.

As mentioned above, there is significant uncertainty in carbon dating. There are several variables that contribute to this uncertainty. First, as mentioned previously, the proportions of C-14 in the atmosphere in historic times is unknown. The C-14:C-12 atmospheric ratio is known to vary over time and it is not at all certain that the curve is “well behaved.”

Complicating things further, various plants have differing abilities to exclude significant proportions of the C-14 in their intake. This varies with environmental conditions as well. The varying rates at which C-14 is excluded in plants also means that the apparent age of a living animal may be affected by an animals diet. An animal that ingested plants with relatively low C-14 proportions would be dated older than their true age.

Attempts are often made to index C-14 proportions using samples of know age. While this may be useful to eliminate the uncertainty of atmospheric proportions of C-14, it does not compensate for local conditions such as which plant species are in the diet. The uncertainty in the measurement leads some to conclude that the method is far less predictive of age than is commonly supposed, especially for older samples

Edited by Admin, : Fix quotes. Ichiban, close quotes need a "/", as in [/qs].


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IchiBan
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Message 70 of 194 (557188)
04-23-2010 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Coyote
04-23-2010 12:24 PM


Re: Guess???
see post #69

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