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purpledawn
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Message 1 of 19 (556378)
04-19-2010 1:31 PM


This is not about whether one should or should not tip. This is about what tipped employees are paid. Specifically restaurant servers.
According to the FLSA Fact Sheet #15:
If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage of $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009; the employer must make up the difference.
In discussions on whether to tip or not to tip, I see comments such as this one from a discussion board.
Servers are required by the IRS to claim every penny earned in tips and to pay taxes on that, which pretty much takes care of the $2.13 hourly wage. Almost every server I know gets a "VOID" paycheck.
I'm curious why they are ending up with a $0 paycheck. They should be making at the very least minimum wage with or without tips.
Another clip from the FSLA Fact Sheet #15
Retention of Tips: The law forbids any arrangement between the employer and the tipped employee whereby any part of the tip received becomes the property of the employer. A tip is the sole property of the tipped employee. Where an employer does not strictly observe the tip credit provisions of the Act, no tip credit may be claimed and the employees are entitled to receive the full cash minimum wage, in addition to retaining tips they may\should have received.
Since taxes are a percentage of what is made, they shouldn't end up with $0.
What am I missing?

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purpledawn
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Message 3 of 19 (556388)
04-19-2010 2:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by subbie
04-19-2010 2:13 PM


Taking Tips home
quote:
At least in some states, servers are theoretically required to report the amount of their tips to their employers, who then withhold based on the total of tips plus hourly wage. If they earn enough in tips, the total amount of withholding for all taxes, federal, FICA, SS and state, if any, could easily amount to more than the $2.13 they earn hourly. (BTW, that $2.13 is a federal minimum, some states require a higher amount than that.) In such circumstances, the check the employee receives would be zeroed out, but it should reflect the withholdings that the employer makes on the employee's behalf.
Yes, I realize that states can vary.
Table of Minimum Hourly Wages for Tipped Employees, by State
So the employee is taking the cash tips home and the total taxes are then taken out of what the employer pays them. That would explain the comment that one person made concerning owing more taxes at tax time. (I think it was on that same discussion page.) If they made enough to owe more taxes than the 2.13 per hour would cover, they would then owe those taxes at the end of the year.
If that is true, then getting a $0 check doesn't mean they didn't bring home any money.
Now if they didn't get any tips, then their employer would need to make up the difference and then their paycheck should be like non-tipped employees. If they didn't make enough tips, then the check should adjust accordingly.
Edited by purpledawn, : Added table link

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purpledawn
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Message 6 of 19 (556414)
04-19-2010 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Meldinoor
04-19-2010 5:35 PM


Minimum Wage
So wait staff make at least the Federal Minimum wage of $7.25 per hour (varies by state) for non-tipped employees when the Federal Minimum wage of $2.13 per hour (varies by state) for tipped employees is combined with their tips. Is that correct?

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purpledawn
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Message 14 of 19 (556610)
04-20-2010 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Hyroglyphx
04-20-2010 1:21 PM


Need A Better Setup
quote:
That's a great question, because when I used to be a server and barback, my paychecks were usually voided too, making tips your sole means of income.
I wish I could tell you, because I have questioned the same thing concerning percentages.
From what I have learned so far, the taxes can only be taken out of what the employer pays since tips are taken home. Since both are considered as income, if you made enough in tips and wages, then the taxes will probably exceed the wages paid by the employer, which explains the $0.
Did you end up owing taxes at tax time?
Hypothetically: If you were to give the employer all your tips to hold and then at the end of the week or two weeks, the employer wrote a check for the total of the two (wages and tips) minus taxes, then you wouldn't have a voided check and shouldn't owe taxes at the end of the year.
From what I can see, waiters aren't any worse off than non-tipped employees getting the standard minimum wage (not restaurant minimum). (I'm not talking about buying health insurance, etc. Many people have that problem also who make minimum wage.) The setup is more complicated though.
If compared to a normal minimum wage person at $7.25. The waiter actually gets to take home more pay since the employer apparently can't take more than the wage he pays unless the employee makes more funds available.
Publican 15
You are permitted to establish a system for electronic tip reporting by employees. See Regulations section 31.6053-1(d).
Collecting taxes on tips. You must collect income tax, employee social security tax, and employee Medicare tax on the employee's tips. If an employee reports to you in writing $20 or more of tips in a month, the tips are also subject to FUTA tax.
You can collect these taxes from the employee's wages or from other funds he or she makes available. See Tips treated as supplemental wages in section 7 for more information. Stop collecting the employee social security tax when his or her wages and tips for tax year 2010 reach $106,800; collect the income and employee Medicare taxes for the whole year on all wages and tips. You are responsible for the employer social security tax on wages and tips until the wages (including tips) reach the limit. You are responsible for the employer Medicare tax for the whole year on all wages and tips. File Form 941 or Form 944 to report withholding and employment taxes on tips.
Ordering rule. If, by the 10th of the month after the month for which you received an employee's report on tips, you do not have enough employee funds available to deduct the employee tax, you no longer have to collect it. If there are not enough funds available, withhold taxes in the following order.
1. Withhold on regular wages and other compensation.
2. Withhold social security and Medicare taxes on tips.
3. Withhold income tax on tips.
So it looks like income tax is the last to come out if there is enough money left. That's why I wondered if you ever owed at tax time.

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purpledawn
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Message 15 of 19 (556811)
04-21-2010 7:31 AM


H.R. 2570: WAGES Act
This bill has is in committee right now. It will be interesting to see if it goes through.
Summary 5/21/2009--Introduced.
Working for Adequate Gains for Employment in Services Act or WAGES Act - Amends the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (FLSA) to establish a base minimum wage for tipped employees of at least: (1) $3.75 an hour beginning 90 days after the enactment of this Act; (2) $5.00 an hour beginning July 1, 2011; and (3) beginning on July 1, 2012, and adjusted as necessary thereafter, 70% of the wage in effect under FLSA but in no case less than $5.50 an hour.
They might as well just stop differentiating between tipped and non-tipped employees when it comes to minimum wage (if this bill even has a chance of getting to the floor).
Raising the tipped employee minimum would help to cover more of their taxes during the year. Of course those who do this type of work for many years would know what's coming at the end of the year and would hopefully prepare.
With Minimum Wage Set to Rise, Tipped Employees Seek Their Share
On Thursday, NELP issued a report documenting what it called "years of neglect" for tipped employees, who have been forced to get by with poverty-level incomes. According to the report, waitresses and waiters -- the largest group of tipped workers -- have nearly three times the poverty rate (14.9 percent) of the workforce as a whole. Tipped workers earn a nationwide median wage of $8.23 per hour, or just $17,118 annually, including tips, according to NELP analysis of the Current Population Survey.
I only make $8 per hour. Of course the $17,118 is based on working 2080 hours a year (40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year). From what I can tell wait staff don't usually work 40 hours a week. Do wait staff ever work a full 2080 hours a year?
Apparently in 1966 the tipped employee minimum was to be a percentage of the non-tipped minimum wage, but the employer was not required to bring them up to the minimum wage if tips weren't enough.
Subminimum Wages for Tipped Employees
The federal tip minimum varied from 40% to 50% of the minimum wage until 1996, when Congress froze it at half of the then-current minimum wage of $4.25 and added the requirement that if an employee’s average tips did not bring the total wage up to the minimum, the employer would make up the difference. The federal tip minimum has remained at $2.13 ever since, even though the federal minimum wage itself has reached $7.25.
So only since 1996 were employers required to make up the difference, but they also froze the tipped minimum.

  
purpledawn
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Message 17 of 19 (556943)
04-21-2010 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by subbie
04-20-2010 12:02 AM


Social Security
quote:
Plus, not only would they have to pay more in wages, that would also increase the amount they would have to pay for their share of the contribution to SS benefits. Instead, the servers end up having to pay that amount themselves.
From what I've found out the employers do pay or should be paying all of their own share of the SS benefits on the wages plus tips reported.
Odds are the amount not paid is the employees portion if it exceeds the $2.13 per hour the employer has access to.
What Employers Need to Know About Tip Reporting
IRS requires tipped employees to provide this report once a month, you will need a report for every payroll period, otherwise you cannot correctly report the employee’s total wages, nor can you withhold the proper taxes (and pay your share of FICA tax).
So if tipped employees went to non-tipped and were paid the standard minimum wage, that amount would actually go down for employers assuming the employees are averaging more than the non-tipped minimum wage.

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 19 of 19 (556998)
04-22-2010 3:12 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by subbie
04-21-2010 7:50 PM


Allocated Tips
I don't like the Allocated Tips.
The IRS assumes that all directly tipped employees of a food and beverage establishment should receive tips in the amount of 8% of the establishment’s gross food and beverage receipts. Each year the employer must file Form 8027, Employer’s Annual Information Return of Tip Income and Allocated Tips. The Instructions for Form 8027 state that if the total reported tips is less than 8% of the gross receipts, the difference must be allocated to the directly tipped employees.
The employee doesn't have to pay tax on the allocated tips if he can prove he accurately claimed all tips.
Tipped employees have an obligation to pay income taxes on the tips they receive, so they must try to keep accurate records of tips received. If an employee receives a Form W-2 at the end of the year with allocated tips reported in Box 8, the employee must either add those allocated tips to his reported income, or he can ignore them if he can prove that he reported all of his tips. Thus, good record keeping can save taxes in the long run.
If one claims everything they wrote down for the employer, how could the IRS say they didn't claim all their tips? How does one prove they didn't receive any more cash than they claimed?
Hopefully no one falls for that and pays taxes on what they didn't actually receive.

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