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cavediver
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Message 4 of 62 (557483)
04-26-2010 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
04-26-2010 7:12 AM


It just doesn't seem to make sense to me that a species that is so advanced that it can roam the universe should need to lead a nomadic lifestyle, plundering resources from other planets. You'd think that they'd have learnt to re-cycle first.
Well, that's a bullet-proof rebuttal
Do you think that as soon as we gain the ability to traverse say local inter-stellar distances, our entire nature will change and it will all be STNG love and harmony?
I've often thought that Hawking, although obviously very clever in his academic field, talks a lot of unoriginal, wishy-washy drivel.
Any examples spring to mind?

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Message 10 of 62 (557508)
04-26-2010 10:57 AM
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04-26-2010 8:32 AM


I wonder why he is coming out with it now, rather than say 20 years ago.
He's been saying it for at least 20 years - in this case, he's just been asked to comment for this TV documentary, and so the topic has come up again.

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Message 11 of 62 (557510)
04-26-2010 10:59 AM
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04-26-2010 10:34 AM


Well, we are already aware of problems we are causing to our own planet and it is within our ability to solve those problems.
You have to remember to split the "we" into ethical, scientific, political, and corporate. Once that is done, the rest is obvious...

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cavediver
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Message 15 of 62 (557528)
04-26-2010 1:03 PM
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04-26-2010 12:14 PM


1) They're not likely to be able to get here easily...
(2) The reason to come here will never be "resources."...
Very much depends upon the resource in question - if it is bioshphere for colonisation, then I would say that Terra is somewhat more appealing than Europa and the asteriod belt. And time of travel will not be a consideration for such an endeavour if it is prompted out of necessity.

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cavediver
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Message 17 of 62 (557535)
04-26-2010 1:54 PM
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04-26-2010 1:35 PM


it's significantly easier to build orbital habitats in resource-rich solar systems
I think you are substantially over-simplifying this and making a rather large number of assumptions yourself. Difficulties with manufactured habitats will probably scale exponentially with population size, in terms of energy requirements, radiation shielding, impact shielding, etc. A ready-made planet would quite possibly be not just significantly more attractive, but the only viable option. I agree that bio-compatibility would be by no means assured, and probably somewhat of a miracle should it occur, but the Terran bio-sphere offers far far more than just pure biological resources.
And when it comes to energy expenditure on combat - that simply depends upon the technological differential. Yes, if combat is expensive, that will weigh heavily against an armed assault. If combat is essentially zero-cost owing to sufficient technological advance, then it is a non-issue.

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