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Author Topic:   Are The Historical Respective Roles Of The Genders Relevant Today?
subbie
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Message 22 of 116 (557543)
04-26-2010 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Hyroglyphx
04-26-2010 1:16 PM


Re: Where we started
Hyro writes:
Buz writes:
More freedom has been lost by mandating equality than anything else. Last century hundreds of millions were murdered, impoverished and oppressed by governments and dummies who tried to make all men equal. It's now happening in the US of A. Diversity and freedom go hand in hand.
I agree that "all men created equal" is somewhat of a facade, or at the very least, poorly worded. It is true that not all people are the same. We have different mental faculties, different abilities, different skills, etc. I think the general opinion is that all people should have the same opportunities. I have the same opportunity to play professional basketball. But like it or not, Lebron James and I were not created equally in terms of basketball. He has a genetic advantage over me, "fairness" be damned.
Be careful not to follow Buz down his rabbit hole of insanity. He's arguing against a meaning of "all men are created equal" that no sane person has ever advocated for.
Thomas Jefferson included this phrase in the Declaration of Independence as a way of distinguishing this fledgling nation from Britain, where the monarchy ruled by the Divine Right of Kings. Jefferson simply meant that everyone should be governed by the same set of laws; that the law should apply to all people in the same way. He never meant that all people have equal abilities or that we should treat them as if they did.
What's more, nobody in power in this country has ever advocated treating all people as if they had the same abilities. This is simply another fantasy sprung from the deeply warped and disfunctional mind of Buz and other delusional creatures of his ilk.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 28 of 116 (557572)
04-26-2010 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
04-26-2010 9:05 PM


Re: Where we started
Yes, old Bean both genders should be governed by the same set of laws when it comes to combat, police work, firefighting or any other occupation where strength is a legitimate need in the performance of the job. A set of physical requirements relevant to the demands of the position should be established, then anyone who can meet those requirements, male or female, is allowed to compete for the job. The only real mystery is why you don't understand this.
You're quite right, a majority of the founders didn't think voting rights was for everyone. In fact, I'd venture to guess that virtually none of them would have thought it a good idea to give dem darkies the vote. So what? I got news for ya, Binkie, the founders weren't perfect. They were wrong about some things. Even Faith recognizes this fact. Get over it.
I have a quote for you, of about the same level of intellectual worth as the one you gave:
Mairzy doats and dozy doats
And liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Yes! Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
In short, your thousands of years of subjugation of women were wrong. Intelligent, civilized people are past that. The sooner you catch up to the rest of us, or simply fade away like a good little christian soldier, the better it will be for everyone.
{AbE} Here's another quote. It's from a different context, but it fits here just the same.
You and your whole lousy generation believes the way it was for you is the way it's got to be. And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs! You understand, you've got to get off my back!
Edited by subbie, : As noted

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 71 of 116 (558004)
04-29-2010 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Hyroglyphx
04-29-2010 8:43 AM


Re: Biblical Values
In reality he is simply conflating American values he grew up with and saw as "wholesome" and is injecting a biblical spin on it.
To be fair to Buz (I can't believe I just said that), isn't that all that anyone does? I'm quite convinced that people don't read the bible to learn from it. They read the bible to look for bits that confirm their preconceived ideas so they can pretend they ideas are biblically supported and inspired.
Buz can point to bits in the bible that support his wacky ideas and others can point to bits that support the opposite.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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