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Author Topic:   Are The Historical Respective Roles Of The Genders Relevant Today?
anglagard
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Message 80 of 116 (558147)
04-30-2010 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
04-25-2010 8:39 PM


List of a Few Women in Leadership Roles
Buzsaw writes:
My ratings slid (nice to have low ratings=nothing to loose ) as a verbal firestorm ensued because this ole man suggested that perhaps what worked for all human cultures, relative to the role of the respective genders, for six milleniums of recorded history might work best for our times.
Good ol' Buz, what would this forum do without your pig-headed ignorance?
As for "worked for all human cultures, relative to the role of the respective genders, for six milleniums of recorded history might work best for our times" please allow me to show some serious counterexamples, as in the spirit of Thomas Kuhn as when he refers to a hypothesis in serious trouble.
In actuality, the degradation of women relative to the ability to take on leadership positions is largely limited to false interpretations of Christianity by misogynists. That is why such abuse of truth, largely confined to Greeks, Romans, and other older and similarly patriarchal and martial civilizations was accepted without question by early 'Christians' which in turn led to what should be properly known as the Dark Ages.
Some women in leadership positions throughout history (as sole rulers):
Yohl Ik’nal
Queen of Palenque
Other Mayan queens: Yohl Ik'nal, Muwaan Mat, Six Sky, and Ik' Skull.
Wu Zetian
Empress of China 690-705 AD
Hatshepsut
Pharaoh of Egypt 1479-1458 BCE
Other female Pharaohs: MERYT-NEITH (1st Dynasty c.3000 BC), NITOCRIS (6th Dynasty 2148-44 BC), SOBEKNOFRU (Neferusobek) (12th Dynasty ?1767-1759 BC), TWOSRET (Tausert) (19th Dynasty c.1187-1185 BC), CLEOPATRA (c 51 BC)
Zenobia
Queen of Palmyra, ruler of 1/3 of the Roman Empire 267-274.
Boudica
Queen of the of the Brittonic Iceni tribe, lead revolt against Romans, AD 60-61
Isabella
Queen of Castille, and later Spain
Joan of Arc
Mary I
Queen of England, 1553-1558
Elizabeth I
Queen of England, 1533-1603
Anne
Queen of England, 1702-1714
Christina
Queen of Sweden, 1632-1654
Catherine II
Empress of all the Russias 1762-1796
Victoria
Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland 1837-1901
Indira Gandhi
Prime Minister of India, 1966-77 and 1980-84
Golda Meir
Prime Minister of Israel 1969-74
Margaret Thatcher
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain 1979-90
Janet Jagan
President of Guyana 1997-99
Benazir Bhutto
Prime Minister of Pakistan, 1988 to 1990 and 1993 to 1996
Now of course I could go on about other various female rulers, such as the Queen of Sheba, of Tahpenes, of Vashti, or Queen Esther of which your own infallible Bible mentions, in contradiction to your assertion, but of course the Bible has no contradictions.
Anglagard's biting his bit to post his stuff on this and no doubt others will enjoy the verbal skirmish as well.
This list is a start Buz, do we need to continue? There is a lot of Mongol, Hindi, African and American Indian history yet to be covered.
Edited by anglagard, : Emphasize the list concerns women in charge, not one of wives of kings or emperors.
Edited by anglagard, : Add title and signature
Edited by anglagard, : accuracy

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 863 days)
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 99 of 116 (558505)
05-01-2010 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Buzsaw
05-01-2010 3:30 PM


Quit Being a Coward
Buzsaw writes:
I don't waste my time on nonsense from smart asses.
Is that because you have deemed such replies nonsense, or from asses.....or is the problem that they are smart and knowledgeable, perhaps even more than you?
IMO just blowing off any legitimate criticism with some phony whining about disrespect to the almighty Buzsaw just shows us you are incapable of supporting your positions.
Answer hooah212002 or just admit you are wrong.
So where is that Biblical justification of your position concerning the etched in stone 'women are always supposed to be subservient to men'?
So where is that historical justification?
So where is that biological justification?
So where is that psychological justification?
You made the claim, the burden is upon you to support your position.
Anyone can make some stupid claim about anything from the space between their ears. Like this or that race is inferior, this or that religion should be exterminated down to the last newborn child, or that human slavery is just hunky-dorey.
It takes character to admit when one is wrong, and even you did it before when you claimed Jerry Falwell never told a lie and I proved to the satisfaction of all that he did.
So the deal is, this is your thread. Now put up or shut up lest people think you an ass or full of nonsense.

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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