My Encounter With Allah, Fox News and possibly the CIA.

Drugs usually suppress symptoms more than cure. Perhaps the demons are good to go with drugs, in that all too often drugs are not conducive to brain and body wholistic health.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You say this with such certainty as if this is common knowledge. Can you please provide evidence for this and how you know this to be true? Because it sounds like how this works is you come up with some pet theory and then stamp your own seal of approval. Why or how is that clear? No, the "gods" are a combination between natural phenomena and irrational fear. Come to think of it, your "demons" seem to fit nicely in to that category.

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For some evidence concerning the nature of UFOs I did suggest reading Jacques Vallee, who researched the phenomena and concluded they were not physical but some sort of deception by spirit beings.Jacques Valle - Wikipedia He's not a Christian but from a Christian point of view such deception would be the work of demons or fallen angels.Descriptions of the beings that some claim to have encountered with UFO type phenomena, if of course you believe anything such people report of their experiences, simply suggest demons again to someone who believes the Bible.Some Christians think there may be other kinds of spirit beings, but the Bible at least refers to fallen angels, how they are worshiped by the world's religions as "gods" and placated by sacrifices, and how they possess human beings if given an entry.Of course if you don't believe any of these things, people's reports of their own experiences, or the Biblical reports of people's experiences either, then I guess nothing is going to convince you. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If they're undetectable, then how are they detected in order to determine they're undetectable? With how little the bible actually discusses demons, I find it incredulous that whole theories concern them. Evidence would convince me. There just isn't any and that's the problem. So we are left with people trying to convince other people based only on their testimony. With how many charlatans, crooks, and swindlers there are in this world, our word is no long our bond.The second problem is that you appear to suffer from a particularly bad case of confirmation bias. You search for reasons or explanations that would corroborate your beliefs about the bible. Instead of following the evidence wherever it leads, you manipulate the evidence to try and take it where you want it to go. That means that you've lost all objectivity on the matter in which case you've lost the ability for people to trust you. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : fixed quote code

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No, I don't "search for" stuff that confirms what I believe or manipulate any evidence. When information comes up that fits what I know from the Bible then I apply it and your accusation is unwarranted.Obviously it is the behavior of the phenomena that led Vallee to hypothesize about the invisible beings that could be behind it. The phenomena, the manifestations, the deceptions themselves, aren't undetectable though the beings may be. Use your head.Enough is said about demons in the Bible to support theories about them. That they are worshipped as gods for instance, that sacrifices were made by the pagans to their demon gods, that they possess people and can be cast out under the right circumstances (the name of Jesus Christ the main circumstance) and more. All these things can be seen in tribal religions all over the world even up to today. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Are you saying that you don't have preconceived notions in your mind? You're telling me to use my head all the while citing some obscure Frenchman, who even the quacks think he's a quack, about flying saucers that are really demons. But you are telling me to use my head? This is baseless nonsense. You don't want to believe in little green men because the bible doesn't talk about them, but since the bible talks about demons, flying saucers are now a way to prove to others [and yourself, more importantly] that the tales in the bible are true.This is you searching for ways in which you confirm your preexisting bias. Nowhere in the bible does it say that demons were worshiped as gods. All it says is that it is idolatrous, is a sin, and you shouldn't therefore do it. You would think that if what you say is true, all the writers of the bible referencing pagan idolatry would expose the true source [demons], but they don't. That's because this is one of your pet theories. It isn't based on anything reasonable or even biblical. You're just taking one reported phenomena and fusing it with your beliefs; using its credibility to bring light to your own beliefs.It's taking vague references about "powers and principalities" and forming conclusions far beyond their merit, when legitimate disassociative disorders exist and afflict hundreds of thousands.Even if they existed it would be you giving life to the demons and giving them power by affirming and acknowledging their existence.

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De32:17
They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.2Ch11:15
And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the devils, and for the calves which he had made.Ps106:37
Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils,Eze16:36
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;1Co10:20
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.Re9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils ...1Ch16:26
For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.Ps96:5
For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Every verse you cited in my bible is listed as god (lowercase) or idols, as in false gods, which are synonymous with idolatry. What translation are you using that uses the word "devils?"

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The King James. Once again Ye Olde King James makes clear what the modern versions obscure, although really I would think "gods" ought to be a clear enough reference to demonic beings and "idols" as well, in the contexts given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Are you a King James Onlyist? I wouldn't. I mean, what is a demon? You might say a fallen angel, but what are they and what the hell is their problem? The only clearly identifiable allusion is that they're bad and mean.

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Wasn't until recently, after studying the history of the arguments. Not quite sure I am now either, though, because I think it needs to be updated. Just don't trust any of the new versions now that I know something about the history. If you know the Bible at all you should know about the fallen angels, no? There are good angels who obey God and fallen angels who are in rebellion against God. Both appear in the Bible at various times. Invisible beings that can appear physically under some circumstances.Satan was originally the greatest of the archangels until he rebelled against God and took a third of the angels with him in the rebellion [Ezekiel something, Isaiah something and the apocryphal Book of Enoch]. He seduced our first parents and since then until Jesus came the human race has been in the thrall of Satan and his fallen angels, or demons or devils. They set themselves up as the gods worshipped throughout human history. Satan's big ambition is to be taken for God himself.They continue to seduce. They can appear as spectacularly beautiful angels too and couldn't succeed at seduction if they were always obviously bad and mean.They like to come as wise ones, as "Ascended Masters" for instance. They are also behind oracles and occult practices, ouija boards and tarot cards, witchcraft, voodoo.They preach interesting false doctrines -- does your Bible have the phrase "doctrines of demons?"1Timothy4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;They have dictated entire religions and cults through people who were open to possession just in the most recent of these "latter times." One dictated A Course in Miracles directly to Helen Schucman for instance. The "Seth Books" were dictated in the same way. Interestingly they ALL denigrate Jesus Christ. Because their goal is to seduce people away from salvation and away from the true God and Jesus Christ came to destroy their power. He did destroy it and calling on Him is protection against them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith, why do antipsychotic drugs work much of the time? Does ziprasidone repel demons?Or, might I ask you, Faith, why do antipsychotic drugs work much of the time? Does ziprasidone repel demons?Why is that?

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Hi, Coragyps. Only if the pharmacist says a prayer on it first (which, I'm told, is common practice among the pharmacist community).Zoloft, on the other hand, repels demonic depression all on its own, because God loves (1S,4S)-4-(3,4-dichlorophenyl)-N-methyl-1,2,3,4-tetrahydronaphthalen-1-amine.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)Darwin loves you.

(for several reasons)I guess Maxwell's demon refers to that little troll that sits inside the nucleus of the atom.Just think of all that time you wasted on that PhD in chemistry when you could have just blamed all molecular interactions on invisible boogeymen.And I used to think Christianity generally replaced Animism over time when such cultures collided.Live and learn.

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The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman RushdieThis rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

I know the reference commonly cited in Ezekiel, but I disagree with the conclusion. That's a whole debate unto itself though. This doesn't strike you as hysteria? If so, isn't it entirely possible that the people who talk the most about the travails of demonolgy could be the one's seduced? Demons playing a blame-shifting game where they seduce people to believe that mental illness is the cause of demons when in reality, it is demons who are getting people to go on witch hunts through hysteria.

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