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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
creation
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Message 985 of 2073 (826942)
01-14-2018 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 958 by Davidjay
05-10-2017 11:55 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
quote:
They need to be taught the scientific method
Mainly, that that method does not cover creation or the far past.

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Message 986 of 2073 (826943)
01-14-2018 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 983 by NoNukes
05-12-2017 9:45 AM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
quote:
His remarks are similar to the old complaints from fundamentalists that "my grandpa wasn't no monkey".
Yet you feel you share an ancestor with the potato, no?

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Message 990 of 2073 (826986)
01-15-2018 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 989 by RAZD
01-15-2018 11:18 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
Still having trouble admitting origin science branches are religion eh?

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Message 991 of 2073 (826988)
01-15-2018 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 988 by Percy
01-15-2018 9:56 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
percy writes:
The scientific method covers anything in the natural world for which evidence exists. The evidence can be for anything
Only if that distant universe or past also was IN the natural world. You need to do more than assume it was.

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Message 998 of 2073 (827046)
01-16-2018 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 992 by Modulous
01-15-2018 2:21 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
What flies in our sky is in this nature. Irrelevant. Nothing flies out of fishbowl earth area anyhow. Again, not even relevant.

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Message 999 of 2073 (827048)
01-16-2018 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 995 by Percy
01-15-2018 5:26 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
percy writes:
The electromagnetic radiation, cosmic rays, gravity, electric fields, magnetic fields, meteorites, comets, etc., that we observe arriving here from the distant universe are all natural. The scientific method is designed to study natural phenomena.
By the way, I didn't just say "The evidence can be for anything." I said, "The evidence can be for anything, including the distant past" (questioning whether we could study the past was the main point of your Message 985). I then continued on to explain why that was true:
Yes, things arrive here. We THEN see them in time here. Our time and space. So, for example if light here moves at x speed in our time and spae, we know that. Now, how fast does it move in deep space, do you know? Remember you may not use anything in our time and solar system area where WE see the light as a basis for claiming time related issues ut in far space.

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Message 1000 of 2073 (827049)
01-16-2018 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 996 by Coyote
01-15-2018 7:09 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
coyote writes:
Presumably you feel religion better covers creation and the far past. In response, RAZD noted:
So, which of these 10,000 or more religions do you want taught? Yours, perhaps?
Anything but the religion of science! I would prefer the majority of an area see their beliefs reflected for their kids. In India, in area, maybe Hindi beliefs...etc etc.
Whatever belief a majority chooses is not the issue, the issue is teaching the beliefs as science.

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Message 1007 of 2073 (827094)
01-17-2018 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 1006 by Percy
01-16-2018 7:23 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
percy writes:
We not only see things from here, we also see things from our space probes. Obviously space-time is the same all the way out to the Voyager spacecraft that are now way way out beyond Pluto, since they continue to work normally as designed.
That does not address anything outside the area of the solar system and earth actually. Try again.
No probe has even gotten on light day away yet.
Edited by creation, : No reason given.

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Message 1008 of 2073 (827095)
01-17-2018 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1005 by Modulous
01-16-2018 2:51 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
modulus writes:
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What is in the fishbowl of earth and the solar system area is not relevant to what time is like is deep space.

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Message 1013 of 2073 (827195)
01-19-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1012 by Modulous
01-17-2018 1:15 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
modulus writes:
But if what explains what is happening in deep space also, without modification, explains what is going on in the 'fishbowl' - that constitutes a very strong reason to suppose the fishbowl and deep space are part of the same nature. Without any reason at all to suppose otherwise - that's the scientific conclusion and that's why it should be taught where appropriate - your made-up rules and baseless repeated opining notwithstanding.
Name an example of something you think explains time and it's nature n the far universe!?

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Message 1014 of 2073 (827197)
01-19-2018 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1011 by Percy
01-17-2018 10:59 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
percy writes:
And you know this how?
--Percy
Because we need reason to claim it is so. You have none. So we don't know. That means you can't claim time is a certain way there.

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Message 1015 of 2073 (827198)
01-19-2018 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1010 by Percy
01-17-2018 10:58 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
percy writes:
There's no reason to try again. I and others have already explained how we know that the laws of nature are the same everywhere we look in the universe.
No. You have not even addressed what time is like in the far universe. That can't be done by simply noting what it is like here, in the light we see here in time here.
But regarding your specific and erroneous claim that we only see things from here, I provided the example of space probes that can see things from as far away as outside the boundaries of the solar system (Voyager 1 left the solar system in August of 2012).
It was not erroneous. By here I refer to the solar system and area. The probe is still less than a light day away. It is still here.
True - so what? Voyager 1 is about .7 of a light day away. Is a light day your threshold? If a probe reaches a distance of a light day from the sun and still perceives things out there as being the same as here, will that settle it for you? Because in about 15 years Voyager 1 will be about a light day away.
--Percy
What is known is my threshold. You may speak only of what it is like where it is known, and that is, as you say, .7 of one light day away at the moment. If you want to speak of a whole light day, come back in 15 years!

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Message 1020 of 2073 (827254)
01-21-2018 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1009 by Coragyps
01-17-2018 10:50 AM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
Supernovae that are fifty million light years away show light curves just like those of nearby supernovae. All of these can be modeled using the radioactive decay of cobalt-60. It decays at the same rate there as it does on Earth. So time is the same as far as we can see.
You are making things up, creation. Silly things.
Unless time existed out there also as here, no distances are known actually. Stop preaching what you do not know.

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Message 1021 of 2073 (827255)
01-21-2018 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1019 by Modulous
01-21-2018 10:13 AM


Re: nature of time
Physics where a star is? How does that show what time is like there> Ha.

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Message 1022 of 2073 (827256)
01-21-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1018 by Percy
01-19-2018 6:14 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
No you have not addressed what time is like, or even what it is here actually.
Light arrives, yes. Then we see it! Where? Here! Always here. Only here. Nowhere else ever. So all you see is light here. Not there. Only here.

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