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dad
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Message 1391 of 2059 (876825)
05-29-2020 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1389 by RAZD
05-04-2020 12:52 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
We do know that Noah lived a certain time, ore or less. Jewish tradition also has Abraham being contemporary with him as well as Peleg. So the time to the flood is known within reasonable limits. The people who lived before that are catalogued as to how many years they lived, and when they had a son and how long he lived all the way to Adam.

Any gaps you claim are invented.


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dad
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Message 1394 of 2059 (876839)
05-29-2020 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1392 by JonF
05-29-2020 8:45 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
No one said you need to accept evidence of historical realities. You thought you got to define what evidence was, and limit it to your beliefs?

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Message 1395 of 2059 (876840)
05-29-2020 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1393 by jar
05-29-2020 10:49 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
The evidence all looks to me like there was a flood. Evidence like the KT layer that you interpret another way. The nation of Israel has recorded some people like Noah in the past. You do not get to wave away evidence.

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dad
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Message 1397 of 2059 (876857)
05-29-2020 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1396 by JonF
05-29-2020 12:26 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Is that layer not sedimentary and worldwide? Does not that layer have in it stuff (iridium) that science claims comes from deep under the earth and space? That is the same places the flood waters are said to have come from. How could it not be evidence?
I suspect it will come down to your belief based dating schemes.

Israel had a class of officials called scribes. Their job was to carefully copy and preserve the record of what is now called Scripture.

Edited by dad, : No reason given.


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dad
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Message 1401 of 2059 (876878)
05-29-2020 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1400 by JonF
05-29-2020 4:13 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Please note that your opinion of what is history and accepted is rejected out of hand. The bible is a history book.

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dad
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Message 1402 of 2059 (876880)
05-29-2020 7:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1399 by JonF
05-29-2020 4:10 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
quote:
Yes. Sedimentary does not necessarily mean laid underwater.
So you can rule out the KT layer being laid underwater...how exactly? Let's look at that.

quote:
No. Iridium is very very rare on Earth, and there's no reason to believe there's oodles of it underground.

Or not! But even if most of it came from the heavens, when windows of heaven were opened, so what? The places science says it comes from are the same places flood waters came from.

quote:
Yes. But it's more complex than that. Near the Chicxulub Crater the layer is quite thick and chock full o' asteroid and impact material (shocked quartz, tektites,...).
Yes, I know, and the shocked/impacted material was impacted from below to above or above to below? You can prove the direction of impact...how?

quote:
farther yet, and comprising most of the world-wide layer, it's about a millimeter thick

From your link

" alternative views also exist, mostly related to volcanism (Officer & Page 1996). The conflicting evidence seems to result from the complete alteration of the layer and the frequently strong bioturbation, which has led to different interpretations of the ejecta products."

"Four types of ejecta deposits can be distinguished: (a) the distal settings, global in scale, where an ejecta layer that is a few millimeters thick has survived, (b) the continental Western Interior, with 1- to 2-cm-thick ejecta layers in coal-swamp deposits, (c) the Gulf of Mexico region, associated with high-energy clastic deposits, and (d) ejecta blanket deposits, up to 3.5 crater radii away from the crater rim."

http://www.sciencebuzz.org/...mages/K-T_Boundary.preview.jpg

How big a layer would you expect if the flood was only a few months long before the world was underwater?


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Message 1404 of 2059 (876892)
05-30-2020 2:24 AM
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05-29-2020 10:16 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
False. The interpretation of what we see in nature is not written. It is interpreted using beliefs by 'science'.

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Message 1408 of 2059 (876917)
05-30-2020 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1398 by jar
05-29-2020 3:35 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Or any evidence against that record.

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Message 1409 of 2059 (876918)
05-30-2020 12:45 PM
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05-29-2020 8:45 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
You have your beliefs, why would I expect you to accept anything that doesn't fit into your little chosen box of beliefs?

I accept the ancient record that Israel carefully carried down over ages as evidence of people that once lived. You are not in a position to say what is evidence or not, only to deny and reject evidences you don't like.


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dad
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Message 1410 of 2059 (876919)
05-30-2020 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1407 by GDR
05-30-2020 11:22 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
quote:
Please let science work out how God did it
No need, we were already told and science has no clue anyhow.

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Message 1411 of 2059 (876920)
05-30-2020 12:48 PM
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05-30-2020 7:40 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Nice vague statement of faith. Too bad it is wrong.

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Message 1412 of 2059 (876921)
05-30-2020 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1405 by JonF
05-30-2020 6:03 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Why use the word evidence when you have no idea what it is? You were shown to post belief based claims using various evidences as a place to project your beliefs.

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Message 1414 of 2059 (876924)
05-30-2020 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1413 by ringo
05-30-2020 12:53 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Claims of ratios being caused by the present nature, or tree rings etc are faith based. Rather than pretend everyone thinks they are evidence, simply prove that nature on earth was the same. Otherwise your claims are based on faith alone no matter what you call them.

I notice you mention the bible. Funny how when people diss Scripture it is OK in a 'science' thread. They should change the name to 'blasphemy and biased against truth and God using the word science falsely' threads!

Edited by dad, : No reason given.


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dad
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Message 1416 of 2059 (876930)
05-30-2020 1:04 PM
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05-30-2020 1:01 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
How so? Simple, you assume trees grew in this nature (therefore slowly as today and that the rings represent yearly patterns) and you assume that isotope ratios were formed in this nature exclusively. Then you foist this belief on us as science. Then you silence opposing beliefs (in the forum in which you have been a regular and therefore part of it)

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Message 1421 of 2059 (876942)
05-30-2020 5:01 PM
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05-30-2020 3:13 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
This is a science forum and you use it to recite foolish old wives tales that are blasphemous?

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