I'll begin moderating this thread soon if the off-topic sideshow doesn't quickly end. Please give the Forum Guidelines a look, particularly these:
Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.