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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Theodoric
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Message 29 of 2059 (573413)
08-11-2010 10:12 AM
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08-11-2010 8:19 AM


One sentence says it all
there is no way to prove that that fish is an intermediary simply because there is no observation of it coming from a lesser species and noobservation of it producing a superior one

That you even wrote this sentence shows that you have no idea what the TOE is about. It also shows you have no clue about lots of things.

Using this view no one could ever be convicted of murder. Unless there is a verfiable observation of it happening then there is no evidence that it ever happened.

Oh, you might want to do some research so you understand that the TOE doesn't say anything about lesser and superior. There is no lesser and superior, except in the fundie strawman versions of the TOE.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 2059 (573415)
08-11-2010 10:18 AM
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08-11-2010 8:55 AM


we have museums filled with archaeological evidence supporting the biblical record.

Nope, no evidence. How about showing some?

there is so much but if you only listen to those who tell you what you want to hear and are not serious about it then i could give you the ark (an example) and you would never believe me.
i have already given some--go to the nurseries and see for yourself that life reproduces exactly as genesis said.

we have museums filled with archaeological evidence supporting the biblical record.

there is so much but if you only listen to those who tell you what you want to hear and are not serious about it then i could give you the ark (an example) and you would never believe me.


The old "it is your fault you don't see the evidence, because you don't believe" line.

How about providing some evidence and show us how 'highly" educated you are? Personally I do not consider bible degrees or most degrees from fundie institutions as "highly" educated. You have not provided any arguments that I should think you have any higher education at all. The education isn't importnat, the ability to provide evidence and present a cogent argument is what is important

ABE

i have already given some--go to the nurseries and see for yourself that life reproduces exactly as genesis said

No it doesn't. Please explain how you think it does.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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Message 55 of 2059 (573558)
08-11-2010 9:38 PM
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08-11-2010 8:55 AM


Not responding to the tough questions?
I see you have responded since I asked for evidence to these claims. Surprisingly you didn't respond

go to the nurseries and see for yourself that life reproduces exactly as genesis said.

we have museums filled with archaeological evidence supporting the biblical record.


Can't back up your claims?


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Message 57 of 2059 (573563)
08-11-2010 10:03 PM
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08-11-2010 10:01 PM


Re: Not responding to the tough questions?
Do you really thing he would present that as his evidence? I sure hope he does.

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Theodoric
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Message 72 of 2059 (573786)
08-12-2010 6:30 PM
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08-12-2010 4:23 PM


By this statement alone, the bold part in particular, you prove that you not only are not an archaeologist, but you don't know anything about archaeology.

I think the website he moderates clearly shows he is not trained in archaeology as we would understand the term.
Check out the forums. Looks like he writes 90% of the posts. Quite a hoot actually.
http://www.archiesarena.com/welcome.html


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Message 85 of 2059 (573843)
08-12-2010 8:40 PM
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08-12-2010 7:45 PM


Nice source you got there
quote:
Author Erich A. von Fange, Ph.D., is Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Statistics at Concordia University, Ann Arbor MI, where he served from 1962-1987.

Source

His opinions on Astronomy are supposed to mean something?

Concordia University is Lutheran - Missouri Synod.

From their web page.

quote:
The Bible is God's inerrant and infallible Word, in which He reveals His Law and His Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. It is the sole rule and norm for Christian doctrine.

Evidence and facts mean nothing to these people. How they can purport to teach any science is beyond me.


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Message 107 of 2059 (574182)
08-14-2010 1:47 PM
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08-14-2010 3:40 AM


Gee a justification for you statement might be nice.

I mean if you can of course.


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Message 216 of 2059 (733442)
07-17-2014 9:39 AM
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07-17-2014 12:49 AM


So why do you think creationism or ID have any validity if you think you should only trust things you observe?

Did you observe creation? Did you watch the intelligent designer in action?

Because if you did not,
you are saying those ideas are worthless too.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 252 of 2059 (734206)
07-26-2014 6:59 PM
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07-26-2014 11:24 AM


I am very interested to hear how that discrepancy has been accounted for.

No you're not.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 322 of 2059 (738394)
10-09-2014 7:23 PM
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10-09-2014 6:37 PM


Proud of being a bully? You are offensive too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 331 of 2059 (739557)
10-24-2014 11:34 PM
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10-24-2014 9:39 PM


Re: How to teach Evolution
You obviously have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Are willing to research what the term Scientific Theory means or do I have to spoon feed you?

Until you understand the meaning of the terms you use maybe you should refrain from posting.

After we deal with the word Theory we can move on to the word Evolution. We will take small steps to not overwhelm you.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 401 of 2059 (740819)
11-07-2014 3:27 PM
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11-05-2014 6:45 AM


Re: How to teach Evolution
n China children were taught that Chairman Mao makes the sun rise. That's force.
Education would be to take them onto the China wall at sunrise.

Source please.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 478 of 2059 (741369)
11-11-2014 7:19 PM
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11-11-2014 6:52 AM


Re: Coyotes call
On the other hand we have the testimony of the best and most trustworthy witnesses that put the Flood about 4300 years ago

No witnesses. Who do you think we have as a witness?

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 562 of 2059 (741878)
11-15-2014 10:57 AM
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11-15-2014 10:53 AM


Re: Bristles
And that would be why it is an analogy. All analogies fall apart if they are pushed beyond the scope of the analogous features.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 575 of 2059 (741971)
11-15-2014 9:55 PM
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11-15-2014 8:41 PM


Re: OC
Was this a religious school?

if you are saying that embedded dirt have given the false reading

I am sure if it was a real lab and there was a real test they would have removed all the dirt.

But dating methods are wrong because the earth is only about 6000 years old.

And there is the rub. You know the TRUTH, so anything counter to that therefore is wrong.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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