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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
hooah212002
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Message 11 of 2058 (559201)
05-07-2010 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Flyer75
05-07-2010 11:41 AM


There are ways to do it even without bringing the religious aspect into such as the cross and the resurrection.

Like? Without religion, all you have is a magical being that poofed everything into existence. End of discussion. Not much for a class. Since there is no evidence to support said hypothesis, you have no discussion unless you detail all stories of creation, past and present. Then, you have quite the task at hand because there are millions of different gods with millions of different creation stories.

IF you wish to teach any creation stories, it should be in the same class they teach Greek mythology. It should also NOT be taught as any sort of fact the way that the evangelicals want it taught. Having said that, it won't fly because they don't really want to give it equal time, they want to indoctrinate.

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hooah212002
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Message 28 of 2058 (573410)
08-11-2010 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by archaeologist
08-10-2010 7:03 PM


in fact evolutionary origins cannot be repeated either for scientists do not know the original conditions that sparked life nor how or when the process 'took over' developement of that life form. They can't even prove the process actually exists, let alone responsible for their claimed changes in life over millions of years.

extrapolation backwards is not proof nor evidence of existence. the science classroom should not be discussing origins but topics that are scientifically proven--photosynthesis, tectonics, silt movement in rivers and so on. origins, both creationism and evolution require faith and last i heard faith is not wanted in the science lab. yet the former has more proof than the latter and we can see that proof everyday and do not have to wait millions of years to see results.

I thought you said you were educated? You make the entry level creotard mistake of conflating evolution and abiogenesis.

Why do we secular minded individuals persistently find ourselves telling you idiots to read a fucking book? Study the subject before you try and debate it. ANY atheist, evolutionist, etc. is far more versed in YOUR bible than you are in any science literature. Why can't you nimrods afford us the same respect for a reasoned debate? You don't take the time to know have a junior high level understanding of the subjects you wish to debate at a doctorate level.

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The rising of the milky way"
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hooah212002
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Message 56 of 2058 (573562)
08-11-2010 10:01 PM
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08-11-2010 9:38 PM


Re: Not responding to the tough questions?
Duh. Did you forget the Creation Museum?


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Message 58 of 2058 (573564)
08-11-2010 10:07 PM
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08-11-2010 10:03 PM


Re: Not responding to the tough questions?
Well, that's the only museum that provides any "evidence" for any global flud.

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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 60 of 2058 (573568)
08-11-2010 10:44 PM
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08-11-2010 10:36 PM


Re: Not responding to the tough questions?
Dinosaurs walked with man, the ark is an archeological fact, just for starters. I have seen videos of people who visited and took the tour. They reported that the museum purports these to be factual events.

{ABE}

What evidence is there in that museum that validates the floodd or any thing else the creos believe in?

NOTHING! What I said was in jest. There is absolutely no proof for anything any creo says.

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Message 83 of 2058 (573841)
08-12-2010 8:36 PM
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08-12-2010 8:27 PM


scientists have conjured up this elite mentality that only they and their field can accomplish anything in this regard. they are wrong

What the fuck are you smoking? You've obviously never heard of Bill Nye or Mr. Wizard. That is what is neat/awesome about science: ANYONE can do it. ANYONE can do scientific experiments. The scientific method is not something to be revered on nigh, or held to some high esteem, it is a function that works. It is a process, not a "thing" or an "it". Name one scientist who does as you have asserted. ONE. Just one.

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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
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Message 91 of 2058 (573862)
08-12-2010 10:10 PM
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08-12-2010 9:41 PM


The reason I used Bill Nye and Mr. Wizard was to prove that the scientific method is not something that is limited to an "elite few", but rather, something that is open to ANYONE. Your accusation of two individuals who have done great things in showing children just how fun science can be is despicable. Perhaps the only critique on either of them is on Bill Nye and how some accused him of "selling out", which has ABSOLUTELY ZERO bearing on his credibility as a scientist or his knowledge of scientific subjects he speaks on. My guess is you don't even know who either of them are or what they have done. Science is fun and these two made it that much more so.

You lie and just make shit up. You have a 40 post count and have yet to do anything but bitch, complain, cry, lie, project. You are in the science section of this forum. You, in my opinion, have not yet been banned strictly because you will run back to your creo-fucktard friends crying about how EvC is unfair to creo-fucktards. You should feel privileged for not having been banned yet. Sure, I went with a personal attack, but hey, I'm a fucking prick and idiots need to be told they are idiots. You are a mockery of sentient beings the universe over.

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Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan

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