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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Pressie
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Message 158 of 2073 (659824)
04-19-2012 1:06 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by PaulGL
04-06-2012 11:06 AM


Somebody doesn't know what uniformatism is.
Hint: the term was originated by Lyell (1830), who applied it to a concept expounded by Hutton (1788). It has do do with geology.
Geology = study of the planet earth
Geologist = One who does or paticipates in any of the geological sciences
Uniformatism is the logic and method by which geologists attempt to reconstruct the past. It goes like this: "The present is the key to the past".
Note that this includes catastrophies.
Emmanuel Velikovsky= Psychiatrist. Nothing to do with geology
uniformitarian astrophysicist
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Message 159 of 2073 (659830)
04-19-2012 1:52 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 7:36 AM


quote:
.... I don't think religion should be taught in the science class (but creation science should). ...
  —OpticalIilusions
Creationism is not science. For creationists to put the word "science" after the word "creation" just to pretend that it is science, still doesn't make it science. It remains religion.
They can fool some people by using that tactic, but that haven't fooled the scientific community, which includes a lot of religious people.
And yes, if you want creationism taught in science classes, you are a zealot.

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Message 204 of 2073 (733401)
07-17-2014 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by mram10
07-16-2014 11:58 PM


Creationism is not a new idea at all. Way older than science. Why do you pretend that creationism is a new idea?
What the heck is "observational science"?
Are you a reincarnated Hitler? Why should anyone keep negative comments to themself? People here tend to point out exactly where and when posters write nonsense. Which is a good thing when trying to learn something.

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Message 211 of 2073 (733422)
07-17-2014 4:50 AM
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07-17-2014 12:49 AM


All natural sciences are based on observation. Your use of the word 'observational' when you wrote 'observational science' is thus unnecessary. It's science.
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Message 213 of 2073 (733426)
07-17-2014 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by MFFJM2
07-17-2014 6:50 AM


Re: teaching both
As well as by all the major scientific organisations in the world.

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Message 214 of 2073 (733427)
07-17-2014 6:54 AM
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07-17-2014 6:50 AM


Re: teaching both
Hey, be fair MFFJM2. It's only a relatively small percentage of religious people who think that creationism is 'science'. The Christian variety of those is mostly found in the US, with much smaller offsprings in countries such as the UK and Ozzie.
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Message 260 of 2073 (737725)
09-29-2014 4:38 AM
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09-29-2014 2:32 AM


Re: yes
Could you provide reasons why you think that?
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Message 313 of 2073 (738132)
10-05-2014 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by archaeologist
08-10-2010 7:03 PM


Gish Gollop
Why do creationists always do the Gish Gallop?
Rhetological question.

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Message 614 of 2073 (742508)
11-20-2014 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 612 by Colbard
11-20-2014 8:45 PM


Colbard writes:
The simple mention of creation causes very long speeches, great investigations and backup, forensic analysis, interrogations even of minors, screaming "delusional" and so forth. And of course lots of reviews about other "delusionals."
That's not true. You should rephrase this; it might be closer to the truth:
'Pretending that creationism is science and religious fundamentalists forcing creationism into science classes, cause very long speeches, great investigations and backup, forensic analysis, interrogations even of minors, screaming "delusional" and so forth. And of course lots of reviews about other "delusionals".'
You forgot to mention court cases.
And so it should. Your carbon dating of a coin is a great example why it should be so. You don't even know the basics of the method. And I (along other on this forum) suspect that you didn't tell the truth about dating that coin for the very obvious reasons mentioned in other posts.
"Teaching religious ideas mislabeled as science is detrimental to scientific education: It sets up a false conflict between science and religion, misleads our youth about the nature of scientific inquiry, and thereby compromises our ability to respond to the problems of an increasingly technological world. Our capacity to cope with problems of food production, health care, and even national defense will be jeopardized if we deliberately strip our citizens of the power to distinguish between the phenomena of nature and supernatural articles of faith. "Creation-science" simply has no place in the public-school science classroom."
--- Nobel Laureates Luis W. Alvarez, Carl D. Anderson, Christian B. Anfinsen, Julius Axelrod, David Baltimore, John Bardeen, Paul Berg, Hans A. Bethe, Konrad Bloch, Nicolaas Bloembergen, Michael S. Brown, Herbert C. Brown, Melvin Calvin, S. Chandrasekhar, Leon N. Cooper, Allan Cormack, Andre Cournand, Francis Crick, Renato Dulbecco, Leo Esaki, Val L. Fitch, William A. Fowler, Murray Gell-Mann, Ivar Giaever, Walter Gilbert, Donald A. Glaser, Sheldon Lee Glashow, Joseph L. Goldstein, Roger Guillemin, Roald Hoffmann, Robert Hofstadter, Robert W. Holley, David H. Hubel, Charles B. Huggins, H. Gobind Khorana, Arthur Kornberg, Polykarp Kusch, Willis E. Lamb, Jr., William Lipscomb, Salvador E. Luria, Barbara McClintock, Bruce Merrifield, Robert S. Mulliken, Daniel Nathans, Marshall Nirenberg, John H. Northrop, Severo Ochoa, George E. Palade, Linus Pauling, Arno A. Penzias, Edward M. Purcell, Isidor I. Rabi, Burton Richter, Frederick Robbins, J. Robert Schrieffer, Glenn T. Seaborg, Emilio Segre, Hamilton O. Smith, George D. Snell, Roger Sperry, Henry Taube, Howard M. Temin, Samuel C. C. Ting, Charles H. Townes, James D. Watson, Steven Weinberg, Thomas H. Weller, Eugene P. Wigner, Kenneth G. Wilson, Robert W. Wilson, Rosalyn Yalow, Chen Ning Yang.
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Message 615 of 2073 (742509)
11-21-2014 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 612 by Colbard
11-20-2014 8:45 PM


What a word salad, meaning nothing in the end. Lets start at the beginning. First he starts with a straw man about how science works.
Colbard starts:
An idea or a belief considered to be evidence...
Wrong in so many ways. Beliefs (in a religious sense) are not scientific evidence. It seems as if his whole 'argument' is built on this. Fail.
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Message 616 of 2073 (742510)
11-21-2014 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 613 by Colbard
11-20-2014 9:07 PM


Re: Religion v's atheism
This one was soooo funny:
Colbard writes:
The oppressive and evil reign of the Papacy ended up causing the French revolution...
Now Colbard wants to rewrite history, too. Didn't the special priviledges of Louis XVI, his family, other royals, enjoyed over hundreds of years, also play a huge part in this revolution?
What's history got to do with the teaching of science in schools, anyway?
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Message 671 of 2073 (742839)
11-25-2014 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 670 by Colbard
11-25-2014 7:40 AM


Re: Belief in science
Colbard writes:
When I mentioned the rules in my world...
Luckily for humanity your rules don't mean anything. You're just one of billions. You're not important.
The "rules" of science do work, though. That's why you, as a nobody, are able to communicate with me. Half a world away. On the internet, devised by people who followed the scientitific "rules". Not your rules.
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Message 798 of 2073 (744222)
12-09-2014 7:50 AM
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12-09-2014 7:30 AM


Carbon dating coins
You did mention carbon dating coins, though. Quite a clown.

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Pressie
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Message 987 of 2073 (826953)
01-15-2018 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 986 by creation
01-14-2018 11:39 PM


Re: Got ya again .. Think bat think
creation writes:
Yet you feel you share an ancestor with the potato, no?
Nope, I don't feel that, at all. What's your point?

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Message 997 of 2073 (827035)
01-16-2018 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 996 by Coyote
01-15-2018 7:09 PM


Re: Separate school and state and religion
Where I went to school we had a double period on religion from year 1 to Year 12. The teachers all were Calvinists. Nothing else. We were taught that everyone else was a Satanist.
I agree that children should have religious classes, with different religious folks lecturing.
All the the major religions should have a place. Priests, Reverends, Rabbi's, Imams, Mufti's, Satanists, Hindus, Chinese tradionional, indigenous, etc. all should have equal time.
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