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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Nuimshaan
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Message 121 of 2059 (579223)
09-03-2010 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by extent
05-04-2010 7:22 PM


Evolution of the Chimpanzee
It's interesting we have no "evidence" of the horseshoe crab changing shape or function...much less environment.

The chimpanzees in captivity at the zoo do not show potential for any abilities to sew clothes in the future...ad infinitum.

In fact, all of the apes at the zoo show no signs of turning human. And yet there they are fully developed after millions of years....and not one of them has turned human yet.

But...rumur is...that one did a long time ago...and produced a baby of extroadinary physical prowess and intelligence.

Hint: Only one kind of ancient chimpanzee would offspring the pre-human bloodline.

Whilst all others would not, therefore; chimpster at the zoo, and the raging gorilla to this day.

This "One Kind" of ancient chimpanzee bloodline would then be responsible for black people, white people, asian people, russian people, indians, mexicans, etc...

Now let's look at the story of the Horseshoe Crab:

In the same amount of time it took man to form through time during his evolution process of changing from the chimpanmanzee, the horseshoe crab did not change, and neither did the chimpanzee. Just the chimpanmanzee called man now.

Chimpanzees are called chimpanzees now. But a "special kind" long ago....called chimpanmanzee, is now called man.

Therefore; long ago there were chimpanzees and a special type of them called chimpanmanzees which were quite amazing indeed. And would one day fly in an airplane thinking he could fly so fast to escape having to eat or drink or think or poop or age anything differently than a modern chimpanmanzee flying in a plane wondering when he'll get there, and is there any snacks or food because he's hungry.

Meanwhile....while this shape shift from chimpanmanzee to the brainiac talking about it, the horseshoe crab still exists.

So, the story goes:

Some creatures on the Earth evolved...and others did not...and we cannot account for the divers manners of creatures alive at the same time in the ancient past....millions of years ago, and then give account for the times in the past where there was only one kind of kritter.

This kritter from our past...the one that morphed into divers manners of kritters now....in cases like the horseshoe crab...decided to cease all evolution and maintain reproduction after it's own kind...VERY SHORTLY, after it's inception from the offspring of the super old super water kritter we all came from.

Brilliant.

Thank You, Nuimshaan.

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Nuimshaan
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Message 122 of 2059 (579231)
09-03-2010 9:02 PM
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09-03-2010 8:51 PM


The Super Specimen
IF you believe in evolution, then let me feed your brain with food for which you can never touch.

The horseshoe crab does not evolve...therefore; IS the supreme specimen, and IS AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN.

Because there is no further need for the horseshoe crab to evolve, and neither was there once it reached it's current shape and form, believe me, it is best suited for the water.

Perhaps the same will occur for this chimpanmanzee, and one day it will become the ultimate specimen best suite for the land.

Until then, the horseshoe crab rules.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.

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Nuimshaan
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Message 124 of 2059 (579236)
09-03-2010 9:24 PM
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09-03-2010 9:02 PM


Backtracking
We are forced to say evolution occured for different species at different rates, some faster, and some slower through time.

Otherwise, we cannot refute the discrepencies in our timeline when I backtrack the animal kingdom.

Meaning: When I backtrack the h-crab to the time of chimpanmanzee....I need astronomical years of evolution to see the creature from which the h-crab evolved from.

Further meaning: Millions of years ago, the horseshoe crab was identical to itself now, but chimpanmanzees and chimps are not identical.

So...if h-crab did change form through time with each successive baby, it's evolution process is so slow, that the Earth would be much.....much....much older than we think. Note: I have to take into account the billions of years it took for the super first ooze kritter to move it's water life onto land, way before the horseshoe crab maintained it's shape for billions of years.

If for millions of years, the horseshoe crab is proven to NOT have changed shape...but you still argue evolution occured for it...then I will force you to change your estimations of the age of the Earth at very least in any intelligent discussion.

Backtracking the chimpanzee with normal evolutionary rates, I can honestly say, that millions of years ago...when the chimpanmanzee existed...there were no apes just rats evolving into apes which would reach full ape form now in our zoos. Backtracking the chimp shows it must have evolved from a common ancestor alive at the same time man's common ancestor was alive. And both the apes common ancestor and man's common ancestor to survive through time until now...so we see the result....brilliiant.

I just showed a perfect example of how the mind cannot escape the truth. The chimps at the zoo now...evolved from a rat-like creature millions of years ago. And no chimp like creatures existed millions of years ago but man who hunted those rat-like creatures for food....\

Ancient ancestors of man had no idea they were hunting rat-like creatures that they would one day look at behind glass at the zoo and call them chimpanzees.

So....if the apes at the zoo evolved from rats....rats that were alive millions of years ago when man looked like a chimpanzee, called chimpanmanzee.....WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM APES.

Because there were no APES ON THE EARTH BACK THEN....ONLY RATS OF A SPECIAL BREED...ONES THAT WOULD ONE DAY SWING FROM TREES, AND GO OOO OOOO OOO IN OUR ZOOS.

Brilliant.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.

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Nuimshaan
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Message 126 of 2059 (579240)
09-03-2010 9:34 PM
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09-03-2010 9:24 PM


Ending the Argument.
Well here's what I suggest. So that both you and I can walk away from this topic with a sense of dignity and integrity....

At some point in time a Genesis effect happened on the Earth. Call it "the right circumstances" if you will, but please save face and admit that this event happened quickly in time....and spawned divers manners of life...all of which bring forth fruit after their own kind...right down to apples and oranges.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.

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Nuimshaan
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Message 128 of 2059 (579245)
09-03-2010 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Nuimshaan
09-03-2010 9:34 PM


The Mediator
I'm forced to play mediator between these two opposing forces...and I have come to this conclusion:

The creationists and the evolutionists are only disputing a rate of change.

On the one hand the creationists are saying that multiple forms of life were created in this amount of time.

On the other hand the evolutionists are saying that it happened much slower.

Either way...in the eyes of the Lord....there are many forms of life on Earth, and all are alive because they were formed in the past and live.

How long did it take? In the blink of an eye....The Genesis of Life...the perfect Earth for the perfect situation, the elusive....."Perfect Circumstances" as referrenced from chaos theory.

The intertwining of life and stars.....as the string theory suggests, and how it's all strung together....

We are ignorant of time though. As is evidenced by the Timex 3000.

I can calculate time down to the .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000013 of second with such a watch, and still no matter how fast something is moving it must travel a distance in a specific meazureable amount of time...no matter how miniscule this super fraction of a millisecond it may be.

I can go on and on...ad infinitum for time.

The speed of the object moving is not time...it's speed.

Time can witness a perfectly motionless rock for ever......

Time can witness that rock move at 40 trillion times the speed of light, and still say it moved from here to there in THIS amount of time.

None of this changes time, it doesn't time travel into the past, it doesn't skip events of now to the future, it all must happen, and however it happens, it did so while time had no power.

Time has no power whatsoever, it does not determine what will happen...what will happen is this, even if it's in a hurry, and even it it took too long.

A day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day....these are words spoken from where time stands still. And it because of this permanent source of witness and power, our attempts to move around fast in a ship...will fail to escape time, or slow it down, or speed it up...there is no other time travel than travel time.

Thank you, Nuimshaan.

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Nuimshaan
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Message 129 of 2059 (579252)
09-03-2010 10:27 PM
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09-03-2010 9:54 PM


God verses Man
Here's an excerpt from our lives:

Man: Why did you create evil?
God: It takes love to give creation free will, knowing full well it may not fare well, but some will get it and hold fast to that which is of the essence of it's creator.

Man: But why did you create the devil if you knew he would become evil?
God: I did not create the devil, I created Lucifer....and it takes love to create all things with a free will. It is unfortunate Lucifer has fallen, but love actually is love for real, and some have gotten it, despite the fact a sour, bitter, stubborn, destructive, lying son called Lucifer does not.

Man: If you knew man would eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then did you simply set a trap for man...like pouring poison in the corner of the ant colony...knowing they would be attracted to it, eat it, and then die>?
God: First of all, man was given the tree of life to eat from freely. Secondly a warning was given to man from me...whom man needs in his life to understand his situation and purpose....but free will is given by love's cause and so a choice was given. And mercy was shown without freeze of time or destroy and recreate.

Man: Well can't you just snap your fingers and remove all evil now...
God: Yes I could...but a lof of your friends would disappear, and loved ones, if I removed all evil in the world out of even flesh and ground and water at once.

Man: Whoa! You mean to tell me that even though you can tell the future, I can also change the future for which you will tell...based upon the free will decisions I make for my own future.....but after it's said and done, I made the decisions I made, and you predicted them....
God: Yes son. And I gave you good counsel while you yet lived.

God: I warned you. If I warned you, it was my free will decision to do so, and nothing has the power of my will.

God: Perhaps you should listen to my warnings, because they ARE out of love, and ARE good for your body, and your life, and your world....ad infinitum, world without end.

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