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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
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Message 148 of 2073 (659490)
04-16-2012 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by OpticalIllusions
04-16-2012 7:36 AM


OpticalIllusions writes:
Kids should only learn about religions in school that their parents say are okay for them to learn.
Why?
The purpose of an education is not to learn what you want to learn or what your parents want you to learn, it is to learn in particular what others don't want you to learn. Education is to learn how to challenge ideas, think critically, test your beliefs.

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Message 256 of 2073 (737712)
09-28-2014 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by PaulGL
09-28-2014 5:52 PM


Re: Genesis is an evolutionary account
here is no comparison with any other works of mankind. No other books had anywhere near the number of contributors (39+), nor have any been written over such a long span of time (1,600 years). Yet it is profoundly cohesive in all of its contents.
Utter nonsense. There is no such thing as "The Bible". There is not even a cohesive list of what should be included and excluded. Anyone making a claim that there is is either severely ignorant or a liar.
In addition the Bible (any canon) is filled with inconsistencies, factual errors and contradictions.
In addition to the infinite profundity of the whole, it contains prophecies of many events that are still future in terms of time. These are given with adequate and specific details to be able to unmistakably predict in advance the events recorded.
Bullshit. Not only are there no identifiable future prophecies but most past prophecies failed.
"The scientific view of the Universe is such as to admit only those phenomena that can, in one way or another, be observed in a fashion accessible to all, and to admit those generalizations (which we call laws of nature) that can be induced from those observations."
Any explanation of observed phenomena, that invokes to any extent supernatural influence such as divine motivation, is thus inherently self-disqualified from being a scientific discipline.
Of course, thank God. Until you bring verifiable evidence of a non-natural event you should exclude it from consideration.

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Message 263 of 2073 (737797)
09-30-2014 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Dr Adequate
09-30-2014 10:34 AM


So how is creationism to be taught? What does the "smart educator" teach?
Just as you outlined.
quote:
For example, consider the creationist claim that there are no beneficial mutations. But there are. So the teacher says ... what? "There are no beneficial mutations, yes there are". Then a kid raises his hand ... "Please, Miss, which of those mutually contradictory statements is true?" And the teacher has to say "The second one".
Or "The second law of thermodynamics says that evolution is impossible no it doesn't." ... "Archaeopteryx is a completely modern bird no it isn't" ... "The theory of evolution says everything happened by random chance no it doesn't" ... and so forth. And each time the students are going to ask which is true and learn that the creationists are talking nonsense.
The teacher should then go on to point out that scientists supporting creationism are all liars.

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Message 267 of 2073 (737861)
10-01-2014 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by NoNukes
10-01-2014 6:48 AM


It would get really awkward if the kids reached the conclusion themselves and challenged the teacher with it.
I doubt the kids would be claiming to be scientists.

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Message 270 of 2073 (737883)
10-01-2014 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by NoNukes
10-01-2014 9:51 AM


Can you read?
Kids, once presented with the arguments and realities, can reach the conclusion that they have been lied to by creationists without being scientists.
Of course and it is even vaguely possible that there might be a Creationist who is simply ignorant and delusional and not a liar; but that is totally unrelated to what I said.
Please actually go back and try to read what I wrote this time.

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jar
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Message 274 of 2073 (737901)
10-01-2014 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by NoNukes
10-01-2014 5:30 PM


It's clear that you can not or more likely will not read.
What you posted is unrelated to anything I said and I never suggested teachers should say the pastors are liars.
Go back and learn to actually read what was written.

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jar
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Message 276 of 2073 (737919)
10-02-2014 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by NoNukes
10-02-2014 12:57 AM


Where did I make such a claim? I discussed what what happen if the students concluded that the scientists were liars rather than hearing it from the teacher. Your reading is complete nonsense.
Finally a glimmer of evidence that you MIGHT be able to read.
You finally included the word scientist in your response.
That is key to you beginning to understand what I am saying.
Creationists may not be lying, they may be brain washed, willfully ignorant, delusional, even just plain wrong.
However a Creationist who claims to be a scientist is by definition a liar.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 280 of 2073 (737939)
10-02-2014 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by New Cat's Eye
10-02-2014 10:04 AM


Me being a dick?
When folk continue to misrepresent what I say I try to help them correct their errors.

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Message 283 of 2073 (737954)
10-02-2014 7:53 PM
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10-02-2014 7:50 PM


Of course they are and it has nothing to do with religion and so the Constitution has no bearing.
Try thinking.

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Message 417 of 2073 (740916)
11-08-2014 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 406 by Colbard
11-07-2014 10:13 PM


Colbard writes:
Ringo writes:
Show them under the microscope the tiny creatures that make up chalk. Then show them how high the white cliffs of Dover are and let them do the math. The millions of years will be pretty obvious.
Or they could have been lumped together in a global flood?
Utter bullshit and idiocy. Please provide a model and method for an flood sorting in that way.

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Message 423 of 2073 (740995)
11-08-2014 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 421 by Colbard
11-08-2014 9:08 PM


I am familiar with the nonsense and bullshit proposed by Creationists. Perhaps you might have something better than their absurdities and lies.
They count on the wilful ignorance of creationists to get by with such con jobs.
Can you do better?

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Message 427 of 2073 (741002)
11-08-2014 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Colbard
11-08-2014 9:31 PM


more crap from Colbard
So instead of providing a model or method as expected you simply try to palm the pea.
That is normal from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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jar
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Message 432 of 2073 (741013)
11-08-2014 10:54 PM
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11-08-2014 10:30 PM


Re: Bristles
Sorry but once again that is just nonsense.
What flood model can account for the layers found at Dover sorted by species?

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jar
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Message 435 of 2073 (741025)
11-09-2014 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 433 by Colbard
11-09-2014 6:46 AM


The Biblical floods never happened so get over it.
So you admit that there is currently no flood model that can explain the Dover cliffs.
But that is just one very small proof that the Biblical floods never happened; there are a couple hundred years worth of other such proofs.

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Message 460 of 2073 (741302)
11-11-2014 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 444 by Colbard
11-11-2014 12:10 AM


Re: The Biblical floods never happened so get over it.
But my opinion related to the Biblical flood is not opinion but conclusion supported by over 200 years of evidence.
You are free to believe that one of the Biblical floods happened but in doing so you are simply incorrect.

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