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Message 1192 of 2073 (842205)
10-27-2018 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1187 by Porkncheese
10-27-2018 3:28 PM


Re: The atheist biologist issue ...
My doubts lie in Atheist Biology.
Me too. I did a search for Atheist Biology on Amazon and came up with zilch.
They have this theory so, they look to try and confirm that theory. I don't like that approach.
Sorry, but you have that backwards. In science, you try to test the theory, to refute it. The results of your experiments might confirm, refute or do neither. Scientists really hate it when they find out they find out they were following a false hypothesis. Good scientists, do not want to be wrong, they want to work on theories that are best supported by evidence, because they are the best explanations of reality.
Cherry pick the data that fits and discard the rest.
Do you have an example of data (evidence) in biology being purposely discarded so an incorrect theory would be reported?
All the big wigs are Atheist.
Well, you only name one, so what? I know some that are not. Biology is not a religious subject and should not be taught in religious studies.
And these big wigs like Dawkins go around doing lectures on bashing religion. Why. Your a scientist. Stop entertaining the religious folk. Just talk science only.
I guess you must also think that religious bigwigs should never talk about science? You're a pastor, just talk religion only.
Then in an interview I heard him admit the possibility of extraterrestrial creation. Like WTF. How can I believe this guy. Unless there is a logic i can't see. If one type of creation is possible then wouldn't all types of creation be possible?
I think that was his point; there is exactly the same amount of physical evidence of creation by god as there is for creation by aliens, none.
Accepting Dawkins rhetoric is impossible given how hard it is to convince me of anything. LoL. I don't trust him. Thats why I have little faith in the theory
Well, I guess you don't realize that rhetoric about creation by Dawkins or anyone else, has absolutely nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution or biological science? When a scientist talks about religion it has no more validity than when a religious leader talks about religion. Neither religious leaders nor scientists have any convincing evidence whether there is a god. That is based on faith, not evidence.
I don't trust any religious person who claims to know anything about god, because I don't accept anything based on faith.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1195 of 2073 (842238)
10-28-2018 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1193 by creation
10-28-2018 12:35 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
If we do not make invisible beings visible and show them to you they do not exist. Ok.
You brought them up. You claim they are real. Prove it.
How about if anything in the universe exists, we must bring it to your bedroom?
Changing the subject doesn't make your fantasy real. It just proves you have nothing. So far, you look pretty silly.
The stuff we see out there in the Universe can be seen by everyone.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1204 of 2073 (842307)
10-29-2018 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1203 by creation
10-29-2018 10:41 AM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
Far as I am concerned the absolutely overwhelming evidence in most records of antiquity by mankind of spirits is evidence spirits existed.
And yet still not one shred of physical evidence. Grow up.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1214 of 2073 (842382)
10-30-2018 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1211 by creation
10-30-2018 12:59 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
You have not a shred of evidence no spirits existed as they claim. Nada. Zip. Squat. Zero.
Are you daft? The Tooth Fairy is imaginary. Fiction.
You have not a shred of evidence spirits existed as they claim. Nada. Zip. Squat. Zero.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1226 of 2073 (842451)
10-31-2018 2:45 PM
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10-31-2018 1:50 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
Your evidence spirits are not real..? Oh you have none, babble on.
No evidence is needed to prove imaginary things are imaginary. I know it is a shock to you, but the tooth fairy is imaginary.
Fictional characters are not real. Fiction is not real.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1234 of 2073 (842480)
11-01-2018 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1231 by creation
11-01-2018 2:55 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
You cannot wave away the record of all time and human experience and call it imaginary for no reason.
I can wave away imaginary fiction. You have no knowledge of "the record of all time and human experience."

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1244 of 2073 (842559)
11-02-2018 6:47 PM
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11-02-2018 5:39 PM


Re: This is a thread about what should be taught in school
You are in no position to call the records of people long ago fiction. Personal incredulity. Prove it.
Sure I am. I know that you cannot even start to prove that it is not fiction.
I have been watching you. So far, all you have done is is post barely coherent assertions about fictional stories and characters and pure fantasies from your uneducated mind.
I don't know where or if you went to school, but if you did you should sue.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1250 of 2073 (842609)
11-03-2018 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1249 by Phat
11-03-2018 3:29 PM


Re: Fishbowl Assumptions
Does the Bible mention or imply such a fishbowl?
There is no way to know what the bible says about anything because it was written on paper made in this nature with ink made in this nature.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1255 of 2073 (842644)
11-04-2018 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1254 by creation
11-04-2018 12:09 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Your 'correlations' have been shown to all rest on the concept/belief that this present nature existed all the while.
No they haven't, at least not by you. You are the only person asserting this without a shred of evidence to back it up. It is pure fictional fantasy.
The document of Scripture tells us when things started to really be different.
Fiction.
As I deduce things, it was likely at the time of Babel, in the days of Peleg, possibly when he was six years old, which may have been about 107 years after the flood.
Fiction.
As for what rings grown is some former unknown nature would look like...sorry, your opinion cannot be based in any fact.
some former unknown nature = fiction.
Find something you know about and talk about that.
The irony, it burns brightly.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1256 of 2073 (842645)
11-04-2018 1:06 PM
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11-04-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Fishbowl Assumptions
God is not from this nature and time.
Ok, good. Can I quote you?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1263 of 2073 (842814)
11-08-2018 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1260 by creation
11-08-2018 3:48 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Show us any so called correlation then, that does not rest on the premise of a same nature in the past?
I don't know any so-called correlations, but you have been shown many correlations that are the evidence that actually prove there was never the kind of change in how the Universe works that you have fantasized about.
Many, many correlations are discussed in Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1264 of 2073 (842818)
11-08-2018 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1262 by creation
11-08-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Long lives in Sumer and Scripture, and apparently China also all agree.
All agree with what? Pure fiction.
Science has nothing to say about it.
I assume this is true, at least I am unaware of any scientist looking into it, let alone talking about it.
That renders your allusions to science agreeing with your foolish and baselsss doubts and beliefs rather useless in a science thread.
And that renders your illusions about science paying any attention to your foolish and unevidenced doubts and beliefs completely useless in a science thread. Pure fiction.
The changes in life spans are at the time of Peleg in the bible.
It's still fiction no matter how many times you say it.
There are also no angels living with women on earth after that time.
More fiction. Angels are imaginary.
There was also a division of language and how men understood/processed info at that time.
Fiction.
There is also no fast growing trees in history after this time..etc.
More imaginary, fictional fantasy.
Etc.? What the hell does that mean?
It is amusing that someone that claims the universe was farted out of some small speck o soup, and that man is related to flatworms with no evidence at all would declare the records of antiquity to be 'meaningless'!
That is pretty amusing. I hadn't ever heard the one about "the universe was farted out of some small speck o soup" before.
There is actually overwhelming evidence that humans are related to all other living organisms on this planet. The evidence is in our cellular structure and molecular biology.
What you are calling records of antiquity are not records at all; they are pure imaginary fictional fantasy. Not meaningless, but not history either.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1271 of 2073 (843292)
11-15-2018 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by creation
11-15-2018 7:56 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
No evidence exists or was shown that no change occurred.
And none is needed until you can demonstrate that your fantasy is anything but BS.
Beliefs were offered that we need to look at all things and interpret all things using the beliefs.
Others have beliefs also.
I made no mention of beliefs. Your beliefs are based on your fantasies and are extremely unlikely to be taught in science classes in public schools.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1272 of 2073 (843293)
11-15-2018 9:47 PM
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11-15-2018 7:58 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
You are not in the position to wave off all records of China and Sumer and Egypt and Scripture as fiction.
And I did not wave off anything but what you said.
You cannot show a single record from China, Sumer, or Egypt that agree with anything in your fictional scriptures about longevity. You just made that up so it is fiction. Gong.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 1279 of 2073 (843651)
11-19-2018 11:09 PM
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11-19-2018 1:56 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Science assumes the fossil record represents a good cross section/sampling of life on earth at the time of the fossil creation..no?
Incorrect. That is not an assumption of scientists.
Scientists do know that the fossils that have been discovered were once part of the biota of that ancient world. Science correctly assumes that only a small portion of the species living at any given time will end up fossilized.
Stop pushing your religion on kids.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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