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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
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Message 1491 of 2073 (877673)
06-19-2020 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 1489 by Kleinman
06-19-2020 7:37 PM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
And you think that complaining about it here at EvC is going change things for you?
You've published your math and your laments to your community and they didn't care.
Why should we?

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Message 1493 of 2073 (877675)
06-19-2020 10:29 PM
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06-19-2020 10:20 PM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
It make you wonder how much worse our educational system can get.
You're making that quite obvious.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1495 of 2073 (877677)
06-20-2020 12:57 AM
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06-19-2020 10:45 PM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
Thank you for the promotion. Now back to the subject at hand.
Message 1491
If your own colleagues don't care what you think what makes you think we should?

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Message 1497 of 2073 (877683)
06-20-2020 8:11 AM
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06-20-2020 3:48 AM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
You've been gone a while, Straggler.
Welcome back.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1500 of 2073 (877704)
06-20-2020 1:15 PM
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06-20-2020 12:30 PM


You're talking a Philosophy of Education and since I choose to not believe in philosophy your question has no meaning.
Well, that was easy. I can see a lot of HS seniors not believing in calculus that final year.

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Message 1503 of 2073 (877726)
06-20-2020 9:52 PM
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06-20-2020 7:37 PM


Re: Bombs away on Gish (but he's already dead)
I have always wondered what is going through the minds of people like Henry Morris and Duane Gish (well, maybe not Gish since he’s dead) when they repeat an argument that they have already agreed is fallacious.
Oh, that's easy.
They're thinking, Just placate this science devil so he’ll go away and not see me using this same lie to flimflam this crowd of rubes here. There’s still plenty of suckers to con once he’s out of earshot.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1505 of 2073 (877770)
06-21-2020 3:38 PM
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06-21-2020 2:51 PM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
Are you suggesting that kids should be taught that the existence of birds, mammals, reptiles etc. is a complete scientific mystery with no evidenced explanation?
Yes, of course. Anything else is fraud.
The stupid is strong with this one.
Evidence for evolution (article) | Khan Academy
Five Proofs of Evolution | Evolution FAQ
Evidence of Evolution - Species, Similar, Organisms, and Evolutionary - JRank Articles
What Evidence Supports the Theory of Evolution? - dummies
Darwin's Theory of Evolution: Definition & Evidence | Live Science
If you want more evidenced explanations of evolution, let me know. There are, literally, thousands of these.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1509 of 2073 (877807)
06-22-2020 1:46 AM
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06-22-2020 12:01 AM


Re: Really no hatred of your beliefs but a lot of stupidity
The TOE has no clue what evolved from what, or when or why, and has piled error on false belief and baseless assumptions, while totally misunderstanding the fossil record, genetics and other basics.
So more than 200 years of observation and study by thousands of very smart people is all wrong because why? Because you say so?
Is this going to be like the tree ring thing where you have no evidence of all this wrongness either?
Not sure why you spam a bunch of links. Try posting a sentence or paragraph from a link and debate that
Yeah, we're not supposed to throw bare links out there but your deficiencies are just so broad and deep.
You were the one who said the existence of birds, mammals, reptiles etc. is a complete scientific mystery with no evidenced explanation. Those links are just a few of the evidenced explanations you seemed to have missed in your education on evolution.
You’re going to have go self-taught on this subject since I am not, and I doubt anyone else on this forum is, inclined to give you a couple semesters of basic evolutionary theory over an internet forum.
You're not that important and I'm too fuckin lazy.

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Message 1520 of 2073 (877830)
06-22-2020 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1518 by Kleinman
06-22-2020 11:43 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
I can tell you with mathematical and empirical certainty that birds cannot evolve from reptiles and mammals cannot evolve from fish. In fact, it is not possible for chimpanzees and humans to evolve from a common ancestor.
So back to PaulK's question.
Where did these birds, reptiles, mammals and fish come from if they didn't evolve from other forms?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 1558 of 2073 (877934)
06-23-2020 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1552 by Kleinman
06-23-2020 12:02 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
I've shown you how to do the mathematics of DNA evolution and even got the results peer-reviewed, published and these papers are in the National Library of Medicine.
Yes, you have and all of your colleagues have ignored you. Why?
Such a fantastic revelation as you think you provide that could revolutionize entire fields of study remains unrecognized, discarded, by the thousands of really smart people whose life's work is to study and master this stuff. Why?
There is an answer to these questions.
We've seen this kind of phenomenon here before. In other forums we have seen this same phenomenon in the field of physics. The one lone genius who holds the key to overthrowing general relativity or evolution. I imagine such haunts every field.
You're a crack pot, Kleinmen, to be ignored hoping you'll go away.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1568 of 2073 (877980)
06-24-2020 9:49 AM
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06-24-2020 9:29 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
The difference between your explanations and my explanations is that I publish my mathematical explanations and they predict the behavior of real evolutionary processes.
The rest of the discipline doesn't believe you. Another crack in the pot there Kleinman.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1570 of 2073 (877982)
06-24-2020 10:03 AM
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06-24-2020 10:02 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
Apparently neither do you.

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Message 1574 of 2073 (877994)
06-24-2020 1:46 PM
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06-24-2020 10:18 AM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
it is apparent to the peer-reviewers and publishers of my papers
Yes, I know. You're one of those that slipped through.
Problems with peer review | The BMJ

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Message 1585 of 2073 (878012)
06-24-2020 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1575 by Kleinman
06-24-2020 2:09 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
They didn't know that the number of replications needed for a beneficial mutation to occur was between 1 and an indeterminant amount. Such brilliance on your part. You should publish your findings.
I don't need to publish. Everyone, but you apparently, already knows that a single SNP at the right place in the right gene which can occur at anytime in any lineage and ... presto chango ... a beneficial mutation has been made.
Everyone, but you apparently, knows that in the human genome on this planet about 26 million mutations entered into the genome today ... today.
Most of them are neutral. Most of the deleterious mutations never got born and don't count. That leaves a lot beneficial mutations entering the gene pool every day.
Wait ... beneficial mutations every day? But Kleinman math says that's impossible!
Well, someone is wrong somewhere. I wonder who.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1606 of 2073 (878061)
06-25-2020 12:32 PM
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06-25-2020 12:15 PM


Re: If We Throw The ToE Away, What Will Replace It?
I don't think he understands that when math and observation clash it is the math that is wrong.

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