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Author Topic:   Should we teach both evolution and religion in school?
Colbard
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Message 421 of 2073 (740991)
11-08-2014 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 417 by jar
11-08-2014 9:24 AM


Jar writes:
Utter bullshit and idiocy. Please provide a model and method for an flood sorting in that way.
No, not at all. If you want to come to the topic unarmed with what creationists teach on floods dynamics, don't expect a catering service.

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Colbard
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Message 422 of 2073 (740992)
11-08-2014 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 418 by ringo
11-08-2014 10:56 AM


Ringo writes:
We could definitely have the children investigate that possibility. First, take them outside to look at the leaves on the ground (since school conveniently begins in fall). Would they expect all of the leaves to come from one gigantic tree or from the many ordinary-sized trees that they see around them?
Then have them think about whether organisms that are killed by a flood are likely to have been killed by one gigantic flood or by many ordinary-sized floods that they see on the news.
I think you'll find that letting children make up their own minds is the last thing that creationists want.
That's true about some that take the name creationist. In either case the answer to the thread Q is more about method of educating rather than what should be taught, don't you think?

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jar
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Message 423 of 2073 (740995)
11-08-2014 9:21 PM
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11-08-2014 9:08 PM


I am familiar with the nonsense and bullshit proposed by Creationists. Perhaps you might have something better than their absurdities and lies.
They count on the wilful ignorance of creationists to get by with such con jobs.
Can you do better?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 424 of 2073 (740996)
11-08-2014 9:24 PM
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11-08-2014 12:08 PM


Delusional
I think you may be too patriotic towards what you see as mainstream science.
When you say that a person is delusional because they Q whatever is passed down from the unquestionable gods of science, it is not scientific or even cool to think like that. Science is a collection agent for whatever people want to learn, and it is a progressive changing thing to which it is never wise to bow down and begin worshiping as the truth.
Don't be so hard up.

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Colbard
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Message 425 of 2073 (740998)
11-08-2014 9:31 PM
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11-08-2014 9:21 PM


You sound threatened by whatever...tooth and nail. I am sorry if you have had to live your life like that to survive. You have obviously witnessed hypocrisy in a big way. The flood is just a decoy topic that has no significance to you or I.

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Coyote
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Message 426 of 2073 (741001)
11-08-2014 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 424 by Colbard
11-08-2014 9:24 PM


Re: Delusional
Science is a collection agent for whatever people want to learn, and it is a progressive changing thing to which it is never wise to bow down and begin worshiping as the truth.
More accurately, science is a method for gathering and analyzing data, and for learning about the natural world.
Scientists never "bow down and begin worshiping as the truth" what science finds. We realize that what science has found is subject to change or improvement as more information comes in and as new or better theories are developed to explain that data.
Creationists, on the other hand, are looking for absolute TRVTH, dogma, and unchanging beliefs. Sorry, try down the hall. That's not what science is about at all.
And creationists shouldn't try to assume that their way of doing things applies to science as well.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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jar
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Message 427 of 2073 (741002)
11-08-2014 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 425 by Colbard
11-08-2014 9:31 PM


more crap from Colbard
So instead of providing a model or method as expected you simply try to palm the pea.
That is normal from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 428 of 2073 (741006)
11-08-2014 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 426 by Coyote
11-08-2014 10:01 PM


Re: progression science
Coyote writes:
More accurately, science is a method for gathering and analyzing data, and for learning about the natural world.
Scientists never "bow down and begin worshiping as the truth" what science finds. We realize that what science has found is subject to change or improvement as more information comes in and as new or better theories are developed to explain that data.
Creationists, on the other hand, are looking for absolute TRVTH, dogma, and unchanging beliefs. Sorry, try down the hall. That's not what science is about at all.
And creationists shouldn't try to assume that their way of doing things applies to science as well.
True, so now if someone disagrees with present science, you can only ever say "you are wrong about current theories" but you can never say you are wrong -period.
And the same principle would apply to creationists -"from what I understand from scripture this is so."
It's not the kind of platform which people want to stand on is it? We seem to love absolutes.

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Colbard
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Message 429 of 2073 (741007)
11-08-2014 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by jar
11-08-2014 10:11 PM


Bristles
Jar writes:
So instead of providing a model or method as expected you simply try to palm the pea.
That is normal from the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Re the deposits in Dover, just because there was one massive flood does not mean that it cannot deposit and erode in segments continuously for over a year, which is how long it lasted.

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Coyote
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Message 430 of 2073 (741008)
11-08-2014 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 428 by Colbard
11-08-2014 10:25 PM


Re: progression science
True, so now if someone disagrees with present science, you can only ever say "you are wrong about current theories" but you can never say you are wrong -period.
If someone disagrees with present science, they better have evidence to back up their claims, and not be relying on old tribal myths.
Unfortunately, creationists don't do this.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 431 of 2073 (741011)
11-08-2014 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by Colbard
11-08-2014 10:30 PM


Re: Bristles
...just because there was one massive flood
There is no evidence for that.
Google "channeled scablands." Those floods were three times older than the claimed global flood, but we can see the evidence clearly.
The claimed global flood, much larger and much more recent is nowhere to be found.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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jar
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Message 432 of 2073 (741013)
11-08-2014 10:54 PM
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11-08-2014 10:30 PM


Re: Bristles
Sorry but once again that is just nonsense.
What flood model can account for the layers found at Dover sorted by species?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 433 of 2073 (741019)
11-09-2014 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 432 by jar
11-08-2014 10:54 PM


Re: Bristles
Jar writes:
Sorry but once again that is just nonsense.
What flood model can account for the layers found at Dover sorted by species?
I don't know I would have to visit the place and do the research.

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Colbard
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Message 434 of 2073 (741020)
11-09-2014 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 431 by Coyote
11-08-2014 10:46 PM


Coyotes call
Coyote writes:
Google "channeled scablands." Those floods were three times older than the claimed global flood, but we can see the evidence clearly.
The claimed global flood, much larger and much more recent is nowhere to be found.
These are the kind of things that students could get into, doing active research. Boring days of reading about someone else's scientific community paid picnic, will cease.

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jar
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Message 435 of 2073 (741025)
11-09-2014 8:20 AM
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11-09-2014 6:46 AM


The Biblical floods never happened so get over it.
So you admit that there is currently no flood model that can explain the Dover cliffs.
But that is just one very small proof that the Biblical floods never happened; there are a couple hundred years worth of other such proofs.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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