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dad
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Message 1411 of 2073 (876920)
05-30-2020 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1406 by kjsimons
05-30-2020 7:40 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Nice vague statement of faith. Too bad it is wrong.

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dad
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Message 1412 of 2073 (876921)
05-30-2020 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1405 by JonF
05-30-2020 6:03 AM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Why use the word evidence when you have no idea what it is? You were shown to post belief based claims using various evidences as a place to project your beliefs.

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ringo
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Message 1413 of 2073 (876923)
05-30-2020 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1409 by dad
05-30-2020 12:45 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
dad writes:
You are not in a position to say what is evidence or not, only to deny and reject evidences you don't like.
As I sometimes explain to people, evidence is evident - i.e. everybody can agree what the evidence is. If you have a dead body with a hole in it, it is clear to everybody that the body is dead and there is a hole in it. Any interpretation of the cause of death or the origin of the hole is not evidence.
Similarly, the Bible is evidence that somebody wrote something down. The interpretation that it is true is not evidence.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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dad
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Message 1414 of 2073 (876924)
05-30-2020 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1413 by ringo
05-30-2020 12:53 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Claims of ratios being caused by the present nature, or tree rings etc are faith based. Rather than pretend everyone thinks they are evidence, simply prove that nature on earth was the same. Otherwise your claims are based on faith alone no matter what you call them.
I notice you mention the bible. Funny how when people diss Scripture it is OK in a 'science' thread. They should change the name to 'blasphemy and biased against truth and God using the word science falsely' threads!
Edited by dad, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 1415 of 2073 (876928)
05-30-2020 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1414 by dad
05-30-2020 12:57 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
dad writes:
Claims of ratios being caused by the present nature, or tree rings etc are faith based.
How so? You could do the same experiments yourself and get the same results, regardless of your rteligious beliefs.
ABE:
dad writes:
I notice you mention the bible. Funny how when people diss Scripture....
I don't diss scripture. I have more respect for the Bible than most people do.
If you want to discuss the Bible, we have threads for that.
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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dad
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Message 1416 of 2073 (876930)
05-30-2020 1:04 PM
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05-30-2020 1:01 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
How so? Simple, you assume trees grew in this nature (therefore slowly as today and that the rings represent yearly patterns) and you assume that isotope ratios were formed in this nature exclusively. Then you foist this belief on us as science. Then you silence opposing beliefs (in the forum in which you have been a regular and therefore part of it)

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ringo
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Message 1417 of 2073 (876931)
05-30-2020 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1416 by dad
05-30-2020 1:04 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
dad writes:
you assume trees grew in this nature (therefore slowly as today and that the rings represent yearly patterns) and you assume that isotope ratios were formed in this nature exclusively.
And we assume that the earth has always been a sphere. What's wrong with that?
If you want to challenge the assumptions, you can certainly do that. But you can't just speculate that nature coulda/woulda/shoulda been different in the past just because it gives you the result you want. You have to challenge the assumptions with substance, not just wishes.
dad writes:
Then you silence opposing beliefs
Who's silencing your beliefs?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Coragyps
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Message 1418 of 2073 (876932)
05-30-2020 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1409 by dad
05-30-2020 12:45 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
But you would never deny and reject evidences you don’t like, would you? You seem to prefer a couple of bits of a single old book, yes?
And please do tell us where in your book you found Proof (TM) of the former nature you talk about. Chapter and verse, please.

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 1419 of 2073 (876938)
05-30-2020 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1417 by ringo
05-30-2020 1:11 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
ringo writes:
And we assume that the earth has always been a sphere. What's wrong with that?
But in the 1st century Jesus was able to stand on a hill top and see all corners of the world. Or maybe the earth was so massive then that it bent light along the earth’s surface. It’s your responsibility to prove me wrong.
(In other words: Why are you wasting your time with this troll and/or jutnob?)

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kjsimons
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Message 1420 of 2073 (876939)
05-30-2020 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1411 by dad
05-30-2020 12:48 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
dad writes:
Nice vague statement of faith. Too bad it is wrong.
I stand by my statement that you don't understand science. If we were to throw all the collective work and theories of science away and started over, we would eventually end up with the same scientific explanations for reality that we have now. The earth and universe are very old, no worldwide flood in the history of humankind and evolution of life happened.

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dad
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Message 1421 of 2073 (876942)
05-30-2020 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1419 by AnswersInGenitals
05-30-2020 3:13 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
This is a science forum and you use it to recite foolish old wives tales that are blasphemous?

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dad
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Message 1422 of 2073 (876943)
05-30-2020 5:02 PM
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05-30-2020 3:13 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Cheer leading empty blather.

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dad
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Message 1423 of 2073 (876944)
05-30-2020 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1418 by Coragyps
05-30-2020 1:11 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Insults to God's word aside, no, I have no reason to ever deny evidence. I simply point out that your incessant splattering of your beliefs on to the evidence is not fact or science.

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dad
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Message 1424 of 2073 (876945)
05-30-2020 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1417 by ringo
05-30-2020 1:11 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
Just wait and see who silences opposing beliefs here. But since you were here a long time you already know. Why pretend?

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kjsimons
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Message 1425 of 2073 (876946)
05-30-2020 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1422 by dad
05-30-2020 5:02 PM


Re: bogus claim on the age of the earth being in the bible
dad writes:
Cheer leading empty blather.
This response violates this forum's guidelines and is unproductive. Science is reality based by definition, so why do you feel the need to deny reality? Is it a tenet of your religion?

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