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tesla
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Message 42 of 172 (559441)
05-09-2010 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nwr
05-06-2010 10:39 AM


My Take;
Objective reality simply means: As it is.
That the data such as:" what goes up, must come down" is true and verified by all observation.
The human factor loves to rewrite these basic understandings with doubt even still today. Yet the truth remains; Some things are simply what they are without any doubt at all. such as: "You ARE."
This statement would be verified by all. therefore is "True". Accepting data based on verifications is what it means to accept "Objective Reality".
For some its best understood by saying "The Truth, as it truly is".
For you people who love to complicate simple stuff (ie: philosophers etc.) :
You CAN argue that since all observations, even those verified, are subjected to the rule of unlimited possibilities. Meaning: All observations, real or imagined, have NO absolute reality and are unreliable.
I liken you type of thinkers as sophists, Ignorant of any true ability to understand anything. And I am sad that you cannot even accept the FACT that you yourselves exist beyond any doubt. I will pray sincerly for your eyes to be opened to forsake such foolish thinking. And also for God to bless your imagination. maybe youll be a great writer of fiction.
Edited by tesla, : spelling
Edited by tesla, : bad wording. repaired.
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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 48 of 172 (559455)
05-09-2010 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Otto Tellick
05-09-2010 1:13 AM


Re: A linguistic approach
From reading your post, I can agree for the most part; with what you say.
There is however, one bit concerning the definitions of language, mathmatical, or otherwise, that I would ask of you.
Concerning the matter of a mathmatical, or spoken, word of truth, that is by all observations: true.
As an example: The Sun IS.
And; The Sun is hot.
Now, we understand this empirical data from the age of youth. Yet when in debates we find many who try to cast doubt on this truth by whatever means they can to suit thier agenda. Absolute reality, Objective reality; These words were invented to solve that human desire to "win" for whatever cause, to be balanced with a win in truth. Instead of a short lived win based on suggestion and perception which can lead to false beliefs which can hinder growth and understanding of the human race.
As difficult as it may be to prove emotions, they do exists. Like thought. Which does exist. We humans take most of the empirical data we percieve and based on thought and emotions, define them to agreeance. This agreeance is Objective reality when no argument can prove otherwise than what is agreed.
Science teaches Objective reality to ground the science community. But if the science community does not agree on the definition, then like in its definition; rivers run backwards, gravity refuses to hold mass, and scientists start teaching string theory and mankind evolving from current apes as if its a fact and not a theory. And the masses are misled to funding vain science and fools errands. This of course stunts and limits true growth for Mankind.
So this being said, I would ask; How do we define such a word as Objective reality? There must be a simple definition that doesnt have to wind out into a five paragraph report with only more food for an ambitious scientist to rip apart to fund a useless project. What simple definition will all scientists accept? Or is it a useless endeavor?
Edited by tesla, : Shift key impaired.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 49 of 172 (559461)
05-09-2010 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by cavediver
05-09-2010 7:09 PM


Re: My thoughts...
"Apparently Empty".
As a theorist, i find it nessecary to ground myself. magnetic field or photon, it is a real force. The stuff is there, even if it seems less tangible, like water instead of rock, or air instead of water. all the stuff we touch is based on the rules of the stuff its built on.
You'll never find an empty space.
Hi btw long time no see.

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tesla
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Message 55 of 172 (559553)
05-10-2010 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Otto Tellick
05-10-2010 12:56 AM


Re: My Take;
quote:
God is imaginary. (At least, the one you pray to is, given that such prayers have absolutely no impact on objective reality.)
I'm a little surprised at your smear. or jest. You have no proof that say's God is not. Therefore, you ignore objective reality for the sake of your own opinion. Who is the greater fool?
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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 56 of 172 (559556)
05-10-2010 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
05-09-2010 8:58 PM


Re: My Take;
better?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Message 123 of 172 (560257)
05-14-2010 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by nwr
05-13-2010 1:47 PM


Re: My Take;
quote:
Great. Now all we need is a definition of "as it is".
That definition was for those who talk in that fasion. They will understand it. Try the other definition i gave. It might better suit your language preference.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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