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Author Topic:   Current status/developments in Intelligent Design Theory
GDR
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Message 81 of 112 (223154)
07-11-2005 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Silent H
07-10-2005 11:09 AM


Re: Intelligent Design winning over Catholic Church
holmes vatican quote writes:

An influential cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, which has long been regarded as an ally of the theory of evolution, is now suggesting that belief in evolution as accepted by science today may be incompatible with Catholic faith.The cardinal, Christoph Schönborn, archbishop of Vienna, a theologian who is close to Pope Benedict XVI, staked out his position in an Op-Ed article in The New York Times on Thursday, writing, "Evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense - an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection - is not."

This is where I get somewhat confused. It seems to me that evolutionary theory states simply that we have evolved over time from basic life forms. This has happened primarily because of genetic mutations. As I understand it in the most simplistic of terminology that is evolutionary theory.

The question of how those mutations occurred is not part of Darwinism, once again, as I understand it. The question of whether the mutations occurred by a "an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection", or whether there is an "Intelligent Designer" manipulating these mutations would, as I see it be another question entirely, and frankly, I can't see why science would have any position on that.

My guess is this isn't a change in the position of the Catholic Church at all. If some evolutionists have extended something beyond what Darwin said so that Darwinism has become Atheistic instead of Agnostic then obviously the Catholic Church won't agree. It sounds to me as if the Catholic Church still supports theistic evolution but not atheistic evolution, which is something of a no-brainer.


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GDR
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Message 83 of 112 (223158)
07-11-2005 2:20 PM
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07-11-2005 2:08 PM


Re: Intelligent Design winning over Catholic Church
I guess that I'm unclear on the terminology. I've just always assumed that as a Christian who accepts theistic evolution, I would fall into the broader category as someone who accepts ID.

My own definition for ID, would be largely synonymous with Theism with no regard for the process.


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GDR
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Message 86 of 112 (223203)
07-11-2005 5:51 PM
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07-11-2005 3:17 PM


Re: Intelligent Design winning over Catholic Church
Thanks holmes. That's helpful. It sounds to me then that there are those who take Intelligent Design and try to make it scientific and those who take evolution and try to make it theological. IMHO both are wrong.

Maybe at some point in time the two will come together, but I think that we are still a long way from that.


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