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Author Topic:   Is body hair a functionless vestige?
dennis780
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Message 17 of 143 (559845)
05-11-2010 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ken Fabos
05-09-2010 6:41 PM


Perfect perfect body hair...
Actually, I think you have 'jumped the guns' so to speak on this subject, in saying that hair provides little to no insulation for an animal. This just isn't true.

In fact, in 2004, Harvard students shaved a camel, and found it's water loss due to sweat increased by over 30%. As well, it would seem logically correct, since physically most animals living in warmer climates have fur, such as Zebras, Giraffes, Lions, Tigers, Apes, Monkeys, Oxen, Antelope, horses, cows, hyenas, etc. You get the point.

There are many reasons that contradict apes `evolving` from quadrupeds to bipeds, losing their fur, etc. But I think for this particular subject, this information seems relevant.

Dennis.


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dennis780
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Message 22 of 143 (559894)
05-12-2010 1:49 AM
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05-11-2010 8:40 PM


Re: Perfect perfect body hair...
Thanks RAZD. I'll try using the quote thing there...lol. I'm old school you know.

Citations for Camels water loss:

http://www.animalcorner.co.uk/...fe/camels/camels_about.html
http://www.solarnavigator.net/...l_kingdom/mammals/camel.htm
http://worldanimalfoundation.homestead.com/adoptacamel.html

Although these sites seem to say 50%. It's been a few years since I first read about it so I am probably mistaken, and they actually sweat 50% more.

And no, I don't care to start a new thread. I just started on this a few hours ago, and don't have enough time to answer the threads that alread exist. I'm sure there is a thread discussing the various subjects....plus I don't know the first thing about starting a thread. The study of evolution and creation is just a hobby for me, and hobbies are supposed to be fun. I much prefer to jump into conversations unannounced and blurt random facts. This is fun.


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dennis780
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Message 23 of 143 (559896)
05-12-2010 1:55 AM
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05-11-2010 9:41 PM


Re: Perfect perfect body hair...
Another point to notice is that generally humans grow hair where apes do not. the face and chest are prime examples, since apes are hairless there, or sparse, but humans (especially males) grow hair in these areas. Even female humans grow chest hair and nipple hair (as much as we would like to ignore it, lol).

I'm a little confused as to the sensory point. It's unclear to me how this would be an advantage or disadvantage either way. More detail??


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dennis780
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Message 25 of 143 (559922)
05-12-2010 4:14 AM
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05-12-2010 3:48 AM


Re: Perfect perfect body hair...
"Well I'm not sure that this is particularly sparse as compared to a human."

I'm not comparing, I'm pointing out that apes are MORE hairy everywhere but their face and chest. This is the opposite with humans.

thats one hairy ape, how long did it take you to find that one pic of a monkey with a hairy chest? Cause I found lots to show they are FAR more sparse on their face and chest:
http://www.kodak.com/.../en/corp/1000words/pschwartz/ape.jpg
http://www.kuvamaja.com/..._Park_ape_straw_8X10_02720096.jpg
http://www.wildabouttheworld.com/...ery/data/505/Gorilla.jpg
http://www.animalpictures1.com/data/media/65/gorilla-15.gif
http://liliendahl.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/gorilla.jpg
http://www.greendiary.com/images/r_chimpanzee.jpg


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dennis780
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Message 27 of 143 (559935)
05-12-2010 5:04 AM
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05-12-2010 4:25 AM


Re: Perfect perfect body hair...
Less hair on chest and face, more on rest of body.

Humans opposite. Follow?


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