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Author Topic:   Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Theodoric
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Message 20 of 139 (560490)
05-15-2010 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by lyx2no
05-15-2010 10:38 AM


Re: I Know Something That You Haven't Discovered*
Excellent response to this very unimpressive OP. I have been restraining myself from responding to the OP, because all I could come up with to say to Ms. Meyer was.
You're a nutball.
I knew that a response like that would not fly by the admins very well, and rightly so. Thanks for a wonderful post that just about says it all.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 24 of 139 (560511)
05-15-2010 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Anita Meyer
05-15-2010 4:47 PM


Not well reknowned scientists! Oh no!!
but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
Care to drop a name or two? OK, how about just one.
You can rest assure that the Hebrew scribes copied them exactly as they were seen on the tablets and additionally written by Moses.
Ok, lets say you were anywhere near correct in your assertion of the origin of the hebrew alphabet(which you aren't). Do you really believe that in the generations and generations of scribal copying there were no changes? Did your god divinely inspire each and every scribe? Since you claim we can "rest assure"(the saying is actually rest assured, this is one of those things pointed out earlier that you might want to work on if you want to be taken at least partially seriously) could you give us a reason or some evidence to make us "rest assure".
BTW, the majority of the OT is fable and allegory.

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Theodoric
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Message 27 of 139 (560517)
05-15-2010 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Anita Meyer
05-15-2010 6:16 PM


No reknowned scholars? none?
Very soon they will become apparent! Read some of my reviews on Barnes and Noble.
In other words, no you can't. Why would I read reviews about drivel?
Theodoric, have you studied ancient writing and script?
Funny you should ask. I have not studied ancient writing and script, but there are people that post here that have. assume they think you ideas are so ludicrous they are not worth commenting on.
What I have studied is European and American history. One thing I have learned is to never trust a copy. Never trust what someone says someone else wrote. Always find the original source. Numerous times the original is copied or quoted incorrectly. Some times this is purely an error, but many times it is done for a political or other reason.
There are many different styles of writing and even fancy writing, but generally the letters are visible enough to be the same.
I have no idea what your point is here. Are you saying that mistakes could never had happened in copying the religious tracts of the jewish people?
This may be solely your assessment, but this is not so. It is based on some very strong science including archeology. In truth, the Bible has never been found to be incorrect!
Do you really want to open up this can of worms.? Just looking at our favorite bible subject the flood, we can see that the bible is incorrect there. You might want to look at the other threads that discuss this fable. Unless of course, you have some scientific and archaeological evidence that shows it is not a fable. If you do it would probably be worth a few million dollars.
If you are going to come to this forum with this attitude and have no evidence to back your assertions you are going to be excoriated by the regulars. Have fun. Let the games begin.

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Theodoric
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Message 51 of 139 (560784)
05-17-2010 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Anita Meyer
05-17-2010 12:05 PM


Just downright wacky
Interestingly the number 7 also becomes confirmed for us when we observe the gestation periods of living things in nature. For instance ALL bird eggs hatch in multiples of 7 day periods from laying. The hen sits three weeks (which is 21 days - 7x3), while the pigeon sits two weeks (which is 14 days - 7x2). Ducks 28 days, other ducks 35 days, Eagles also 35 days, Owls 28 days, Penguins 49 days, (these are multiples of 7).
And the list goes on Additionally, most animals have a gestation period of multiples of 7. For instance the mouse 21 days (3x7). The rabbit and rat 28 days (4x7). The cat 56 days (8x7). And the dog 63 days (9x7). Again as you can see all multiples of 7.
Nothing, perhaps, is more remarkable with the number 7 then the period of gestation (or pregnancy) in humans. This corresponding period is 280 days or 40x7.
Now it would be even more impressive if all animals had a gestation periods based on 7 but you can see form this link that it is not so. Most is not the correct word. Would you mind providing your source so we can see where you get this misinformation from. Also, for birds you might want to use the term incubation period. That period does not begin until all eggs are layed.
Your figure of 280 days for human is actually not correct. The actual gestation period is approx 266 days. The 280 day figure is counted from the start of the last menstrual period. The reason the 266 and 280 number are used is not because of some magical power of 7, but the fact that weeks are 7 days long. 266 is 9 months or 38 weeks and 280 is 9.5 months or 40 weeks. It is hard not to get a mutliple of 7 when you are using a week as the reference.

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Message 63 of 139 (560827)
05-17-2010 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Anita Meyer
05-17-2010 8:40 PM


It burns
Another thing you must remember is that the Evolution Theory is still only a theory
Just a quick question. Do you have any idea what a scientific theory is? A little hint. It is not a guess.
Give me what you believe is the definition for a scientific theory.

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Message 67 of 139 (560848)
05-17-2010 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Tanypteryx
05-17-2010 9:30 PM


In that spirit, In Search of the Universal Truth Publisher has a
policy of offering to publish all manuscripts that are submitted, at the authors own expense,
while at the same time offering a wide range of options to help get you published for a
reasonable price.
Yeah she has to sell her books so she can get her investment back.
From the publisher.
quote:
In that spirit, In Search of the Universal Truth Publisher has a
policy of offering to publish all manuscripts that are submitted, at the authors own expense,
while at the same time offering a wide range of options to help get you published for a
reasonable price.
If you pay the costs they will publish anything.
Edited by Theodoric, : subtitle

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Theodoric
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Message 76 of 139 (561059)
05-18-2010 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Anita Meyer
05-18-2010 1:49 PM


Isn't there a christian rule you're breaking?
Oh yeah I remember.
Thou Shalt not Bear False Witness.
In other words one should not lie. Or do you take it more literally and feel it is ok to lie except in court.
Why do I think you are lying?
As far as my book goes, I am not here to sell it as some claim. I am here to get the GOOD WORD out.
This whole thread is about your book. Your original OP was basically just a link to the book. Your signature on every post has a link to the trash. Yes you are lying.

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Theodoric
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Message 83 of 139 (561110)
05-18-2010 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Anita Meyer
05-18-2010 9:58 PM


Have you heard of the term PRATT?
These are all PRATTs. Maybe someone else id interested in refuting them point by point but to me it JUST BURNS.
PRATT
Points Refuted a Thousand Times
BTW
Since your book is so wonderful and inspiring how come you couldn't get a real publisher to publish it? Did all real publishers turn it down? Did you try to find a real publisher?

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Theodoric
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Message 99 of 139 (561325)
05-19-2010 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Anita Meyer
05-19-2010 10:04 PM


Scientific theory
We do not even know today how the Grand Canyon was formed - all postulations remains only in theory.
I have asked before if you knew what a scientific theory was. Since you declined to answer this request here Message 63, I will ask again.
Can you define what a scientific theory is? I will give you another hint. It is not a wild ass guess.
Go here and tell me if you agree with what it says.
In case your comprehension skills are a little addled, here is the kicker.
quote:
In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.
Another question.
Can a theory "grow up" and become a law?
Finally, I got to say you are starting to tork me off by not responding to the simple questions I have asked you like the above.
Here is another from Message 24. You made this claim in Message 23
You people can think what you want, but I will tell you that it has some of the biggest and well renowned scientists pondering right about now!
You were asked for the name of just one "well renowned scientist"(damn I sure hope you had an editor check your book before you paid someone to publish it, or at least used spellcheck). Still waiting for that name.

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Theodoric
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Message 121 of 139 (561433)
05-20-2010 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 1:25 PM


Delusion much
At first I thought you were just an idiot, but now I see you are an idiot that truly believes she is correct in all things.
You are practicing the classic gish gallop. When you were shown how utterly wrong you are about dating methods you changed the subject and still have yet to defend your arguments.
Now you make some bizarre assertions about snake venom but again you provide no evidence or sources. Your assertions about oxygen and snake venom show how ignorant you and your sources are. This whole idea seems to have come form the inability to read intelligently and critically.
First of all, not all snake venom is the same. Second and more importantly venom does not come from a bacteria. If you have any evidence to disprove this please present it. As of yet you have provided NO EVIDENCE OR SOURCES for any of your claims. That is a sign of a liar or an idiot.
quote:
There are four distinct types of venom that act on the body differently.
* Proteolytic venom dismantles the molecular structure of the area surrounding and including the bite.
* Hemotoxic venoms act on the heart and cardiovascular system.
* Neurotoxic venom acts on the nervous system and brain.
* Cytotoxic venom has a localized action at the site of the bite.
quote:
Snake venom is highly modified saliva[citation needed] that is produced by special glands of certain species of snakes. The gland which secretes the zootoxin is a modification of the parotid salivary gland of other vertebrates
Source
Wow that took me all of five minutes to find.
Now to show how stupid creationists are. One of the treatments for a snake bite is supplemental oxygen. I do not see how anyone could interpret that as "oxygen destroys snake venom", but evidently you do. The reason for oxygen is that some venoms have an effect on the respiratory system.
quote:
The venom is both neuro and Haemotoxic with death often occurring from respiratory failure. In the late 1960’s mamba bites were almost always fatal. Now patients reaching hospital have a good chance of survival when treated with aggressive anti venom therapy. However much anti venom is often needed, and patients often need supplemental oxygen and ventilation.
Source
Therefore oxygen is needed in order that the lungs process enough oxygen so that the blood maintains its oxygen level. Not to make the venom ineffective.
Now if it is a bite from a snake with Proteolytic venom oxygen isn't going to help at all, because the venom is eating away at cells, or muscles or blood.
It is amazing how consistently and totally wrong you are about everything. You really should research before you type anything.

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Theodoric
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Message 123 of 139 (561436)
05-20-2010 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 2:30 PM


Huntard, bacteria produces selective enzymes, and it is these enzymes that are tied in with snake venom.
Just look up enzymes and snake venom.
Better yet. Show us a source that says snake venom comes form bacteria.
Can you do that? Can you?
Thought not.
Just like every other request for a source.
Complete and utter silence.

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Message 129 of 139 (561456)
05-20-2010 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Anita Meyer
05-17-2010 4:29 PM


Still waiting on sources
This 7 day cycle can also be witnessed in the duration days from the onset of a diseases symptoms, development and resolve. Even organ transplant patients tend to have more rejection episodes on the 7/8th , 14/15th , 21/22nd, and 28/29th days after surgery.
Fact or Crap.
CRAP!!!!
Any chance of getting any sort of source for any of these outlandish claims?

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Theodoric
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Message 138 of 139 (561478)
05-20-2010 7:47 PM


Time to stop feeding?
Boys and girls I think it may be time to quit feeding the troll. She has made no attempt to back up the myriad of her assertions. I have asked a number of times for a source for her wacky claims and as yet have been totally ignored. Maybe we should let her starve.

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