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Author Topic:   Not only Intelligent Design - but DIVINE DESIGN!
Theodoric
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Message 121 of 139 (561433)
05-20-2010 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 1:25 PM


Delusion much
At first I thought you were just an idiot, but now I see you are an idiot that truly believes she is correct in all things.

You are practicing the classic gish gallop. When you were shown how utterly wrong you are about dating methods you changed the subject and still have yet to defend your arguments.

Now you make some bizarre assertions about snake venom but again you provide no evidence or sources. Your assertions about oxygen and snake venom show how ignorant you and your sources are. This whole idea seems to have come form the inability to read intelligently and critically.

First of all, not all snake venom is the same. Second and more importantly venom does not come from a bacteria. If you have any evidence to disprove this please present it. As of yet you have provided NO EVIDENCE OR SOURCES for any of your claims. That is a sign of a liar or an idiot.

quote:
There are four distinct types of venom that act on the body differently.

* Proteolytic venom dismantles the molecular structure of the area surrounding and including the bite.
* Hemotoxic venoms act on the heart and cardiovascular system.
* Neurotoxic venom acts on the nervous system and brain.
* Cytotoxic venom has a localized action at the site of the bite.



quote:
Snake venom is highly modified saliva[citation needed] that is produced by special glands of certain species of snakes. The gland which secretes the zootoxin is a modification of the parotid salivary gland of other vertebrates

Source
Wow that took me all of five minutes to find.

Now to show how stupid creationists are. One of the treatments for a snake bite is supplemental oxygen. I do not see how anyone could interpret that as "oxygen destroys snake venom", but evidently you do. The reason for oxygen is that some venoms have an effect on the respiratory system.

quote:
The venom is both neuro and Haemotoxic with death often occurring from respiratory failure. In the late 1960’s mamba bites were almost always fatal. Now patients reaching hospital have a good chance of survival when treated with aggressive anti venom therapy. However much anti venom is often needed, and patients often need supplemental oxygen and ventilation.

Source
Therefore oxygen is needed in order that the lungs process enough oxygen so that the blood maintains its oxygen level. Not to make the venom ineffective.

Now if it is a bite from a snake with Proteolytic venom oxygen isn't going to help at all, because the venom is eating away at cells, or muscles or blood.

It is amazing how consistently and totally wrong you are about everything. You really should research before you type anything.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Anita Meyer
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Message 122 of 139 (561434)
05-20-2010 2:30 PM


quote:
Nowhere in that article does it say that snake venom comes from bacteria. They compare bacterial venom to snake venom, but nowhere does it say that snake venom comes from bacteria.

Will you now finally admit you made that up?


Huntard, bacteria produces selective enzymes, and it is these enzymes that are tied in with snake venom.

Just look up enzymes and snake venom.

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The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

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Theodoric
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Message 123 of 139 (561436)
05-20-2010 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 2:30 PM


Huntard, bacteria produces selective enzymes, and it is these enzymes that are tied in with snake venom.

Just look up enzymes and snake venom.


Better yet. Show us a source that says snake venom comes form bacteria.
Can you do that? Can you?
Thought not.
Just like every other request for a source.
Complete and utter silence.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Anita Meyer
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Message 124 of 139 (561437)
05-20-2010 2:39 PM


quote:
I have shown you where your comments on diamonds and radiocarbon dating are incorrect. Isn't that enough?

Oh, how so? What “contamination”? You have proven nothing!

Haven’t you heard Coyote, nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion. - Democritus


Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

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Huntard
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Message 125 of 139 (561438)
05-20-2010 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 2:30 PM


Anita Meyer writes:

Huntard, bacteria produces selective enzymes, and it is these enzymes that are tied in with snake venom.

Just look up enzymes and snake venom.


I know snake venom is made from enzymes. Those enzymes do not come from bacteria though. Which is what you were saying.

Will you admit that snake venom does not come from bacteria, or will you just keep on dodging and weaving. Or will you finally show some evidence for any assertion you made.


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Son
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Message 126 of 139 (561440)
05-20-2010 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 2:30 PM


your source writes:

Bacterial protein toxins are the most powerful human poisons known and retain high activity at very high dilutions. The lethality of the most potent bacterial exotoxins is compared to the lethality of strychnine, snake venom, and endotoxin in Table 1 below.

Say, why would they compare toxins from bacteria with those of snakes if those two had the same source?

In fact :

Saliva is produced in and secreted from salivary glands. The basic secretory units of salivary glands are clusters of cells called an acini. These cells secrete a fluid that contains water, electrolytes, mucus and enzymes, all of which flow out of the acinus into collecting ducts.

from http://biology.about.com/library/organs/blpathodigest3.htm

and :

Easy questions to ask–very difficult to answer succinctly and simply. Snake venom is saliva, a highly modified saliva, and is produced by modified saliva glands.

from : http://library.thinkquest.org/C007974/2_6sve.htm

proves you that you are in fact totally wrong (what a surprise !!)
Serpent venom is produced the same way saliva is, meaning mainly through cells called acini. So, will you retract your wrong statements or avoid the subject?


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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 127 of 139 (561442)
05-20-2010 2:59 PM


Self-Promotional Garbage
It has been a while sense I have posted, however, this thread peeked my interest. Mostly, because I detest the attitude some of these spammers (such as the one here) have and how gullible they think we are.

Many of these spammers think that their 'ideas' are innovative and novel when in fact they regurgitate accumulated pseudoscientific and spiritual/religious garbage off the internet in order to create a book they can sell, make money and gain recognition. This is usually because they have very little formal education in the field they are profess they are proficient in and have done very little real field work or research in these subjects. Many times they think a couple of weeks, months or even years studying these subjects makes them experts. However, true scientists, critical thinkers and innovators recognize that their work MUST stand on the work of previous scientists and innovators and CANNOT exist in a vacuum without real scientific evidence and knowledge.

I am getting really sick and tired of people spamming internet forums such as EvC with self-promotional anti-science garbage. I am sorry but I am calling a spade, a spade. This lady has spewed her pseudoscientific (I have a more adequate adjective but will refrain) book across the nethernet in order to fulfill her need for:

a. fame/recognition and/or
b. lucrative money making business

What she and others do not realize is that REAL objective scientific investigation is a long, grueling and many times dull endeavor which in some fields can take years, centuries and millennia of scientific research and investigation to churn out well thought out theories.

Wrapping 3-d spirals around letters of an ancient alphabet and referencing the golden rectangle/pi/Fibonacci sequence to prove the existence of God (wow, she really thinks no one has suggested this before ) is NOT science and is not a credible argument in any rational forum of investigation.

If you think I am being mean to her just check out what she wrote about her own book:

Anita Meyer writes:

Presented before you is the one book that gives the reader the ultimate evidence that G-d exists. A feat that almost all have failed to prove beyond any spiritual perspective. It is the holy grail of all grails!!! There is nobody on the face of the Earth that has the full encompassing knowledge that this book contains. The reader might be thinking that this is a similar story that they’ve heard many times before. But this one IS DIFFERENT, I can assure you! ...

In addition to this, the book goes on to dig further for the truth and unearths secrets woven deeply within the infrastructure of both science, religion and spirituality. Secrets that touch the hearts and minds of all of us, even the atheist. This book is labeled as fiction, but it is so compelling that the readers must decide for themselves if it is actually nonfiction.

Wow, "this one is different, I can assure you". Never heard that one before. Reading various forums where she has posted, it looks like this is a money making business for you and your family and probably the reason you published this book. JMHO.

Anita, you may think me a jerk, I really don't care. However, I will not standby while you try to pull the wool over people's eyes. I have a personal stake in this since I have family members that wouldn't bat an eyelash about buying your book to use as 'evidence' for their extremist anti-science religious fundamental life-style.

BTW before you write me off, I am not an atheist (I consider myself to be officially an agnostic but am not opposed to a supernatural entity aka deism) and my wife is a born-again Christian. We both attend a Methodist church and send our daughter to a Christian preschool.

I am just tired of this flood of pseudoscientific crap people are spewing over the internet. You give both your religion and science which you espouse you promote a black eye. Do the real research, go to the universities of higher learning, study underneath the researchers in the fields and in the labs, devote yourself to a life-time of learning. Remain objective, stop bringing your biased religious beliefs into the fray. That is what true science is all about: critical thinking and objective explanations of the universe we exist in.

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"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

dokukaeru
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Message 128 of 139 (561452)
05-20-2010 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Anita Meyer
05-19-2010 10:04 PM


You should probably stop copying and pasting from creationist websites!
Hello Anita! Hope you are doing well!

I would suggest you stop copying and pasting from creationist websites, especially if it is stuff you do not understand and you are claiming it as your own writing here!

For instance:

Message 91

Anita in msg 91 writes:

Each year, water and winds erode about 20 billion tons of dirt and rock from the continents and deposit it in the ocean. This material accumulates as loose sediment on the hard basaltic (lava-formed) rock of the ocean floor. The average depth of all the sediment in the whole ocean is less than 400 meters. The main way known to remove the sediment from the ocean floor is by plate tectonic subduction. That is, sea floor slides slowly (a few cm/year) beneath the continents, taking some sediment with it.

A quick GOOGLE SEARCH of that paragraph brings up 1400 results that include that paragraph almost in its entirety or with very little changed. Are you claiming you wrote it, or do you concede that it is plagiarized?


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Theodoric
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Message 129 of 139 (561456)
05-20-2010 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Anita Meyer
05-17-2010 4:29 PM


Still waiting on sources
This 7 day cycle can also be witnessed in the duration days from the onset of a diseases symptoms, development and resolve. Even organ transplant patients tend to have more rejection episodes on the 7/8th , 14/15th , 21/22nd, and 28/29th days after surgery.

Fact or Crap.

CRAP!!!!

Any chance of getting any sort of source for any of these outlandish claims?


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Straggler
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Message 130 of 139 (561459)
05-20-2010 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 2:39 PM


Haven’t you heard Coyote, nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion.

Unless you are claiming that God is made of atoms or empty space you would seem to have hit the nail on the head.


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Anita Meyer
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Posts: 33
From: Kenosha, WI.
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Message 131 of 139 (561460)
05-20-2010 5:01 PM


quote:
A quick GOOGLE SEARCH of that paragraph brings up 1400 results that include that paragraph almost in its entirety or with very little changed. Are you claiming you wrote it, or do you concede that it is plagiarized?

Duckier,

Why don’t you stop trying to discredit me and contribute. So far you have done nil.


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Anita Meyer
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Message 132 of 139 (561463)
05-20-2010 5:09 PM


Double post.

Edited by Anita Meyer, : Double post.


Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

New Cat's Eye
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Message 133 of 139 (561464)
05-20-2010 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Anita Meyer
05-20-2010 5:01 PM


I found that to be a helluva contribution.

You got caught plagiarizing.

You Gish-Gallop and you refuse to support your assertions. And yet you are promoting your book as something profound and claiming you have evidenced god.

You have no credibility.


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Anita Meyer
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From: Kenosha, WI.
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Message 134 of 139 (561465)
05-20-2010 5:11 PM


DevilsAdvocate, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I’m truly sorry that you feel that way. However my research was not done on the web nor am I looking for sales as you and several others have claimed. I am merely here to spread the Good Word and present something, that in my opinion lends very strong evidence to G-d's existence!

Have you had the chance to review this part of my book - its free for all:

http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...nation.pdf

Have a good day!


Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

Anita Meyer
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Posts: 33
From: Kenosha, WI.
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Message 135 of 139 (561467)
05-20-2010 5:18 PM


quote:
I found that to be a helluva contribution. You got caught plagiarizing. You Gish-Gallop and you refuse to support your assertions. And yet you are promoting your book as something profound and claiming you have evidenced god. You have no credibility.

http://www.evcforum.net/Images/Avatars/3311.jpg

Coming from someone who obviously spends most of his days trolling this page instead of riding his dirt bike, your opinion doesn't really hold much validity.

Edited by Anita Meyer, : No reason given.


Author Anita Meyer anitameyer1@hotmail.com
The Primordial Language - Confirmation of the Divine Creator
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpubli.../...guage.html

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