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Author Topic:   Opening the doors to creationism in British Schools?
CogitoErgoSum
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Message 7 of 129 (615406)
05-12-2011 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-01-2010 10:09 AM


Free schools
If the free schools are open to inspection by OFSTED, and have league tables published then they will have the same pressures imposed on them as any other. This will result in them limiting the curriculum to ridiculous qualifications like Btecs so their grades look good.

Also the new English Baccalaureate doesn't have RE as one of its essential elements. If they have to stick to this, the same as the other schools, then they will simply push RE to the background, and many would argue that is where it deserves to be.


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CogitoErgoSum
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Message 10 of 129 (617137)
05-26-2011 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Robert Byers
05-26-2011 1:18 AM


excellent. Freedom of speech, thought, and enquiry are what education is about.
Its about learning the truth on things.
For too long false ideas and censorship of those ideas or of better ones on origin issues has gotten away with it in Britain.
The times are changing and creationism is being more desired by the people and generally the freedom to discuss the great issues is desired by most people.
censoring creationism has always been a immoral, illegal, and unintellectual stance.
Let the truth prevail and so don't ban opinions

Yes, sorry to burst your bubble but Gove has banned creationist movements from opening free schools in this country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...reationism-is-not-science.html

and it's not about censorship, creationism is not desired in a science classroom. As a science teacher I couldn't even think about where to start teaching it as viable science. Just one more question, and please answer it honestly, would you advocate teaching flat earth theory in Geography lessons ?


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CogitoErgoSum
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Message 13 of 129 (617273)
05-27-2011 4:41 AM
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05-27-2011 2:41 AM


Truth ?
Scientifically there is no evidence for creationism. That is why school leaders in the US and UK will not accept it being taught as science. They will not even allow free schools to have it as part of their curriculum.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...-banned-from-free-schools.html

Teach it in RE, but keep it out of the science classroom.

You did not answer my question, would you advocate teaching flat earth theory in Geography lessons ? Yes or No.

There is plenty of "evidence" for a flat earth.

http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/flatrth1.pdf
http://www.errantskeptics.org/Flat-Earth-Theory.htm

So should it be taught ? Yes or No.


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CogitoErgoSum
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Message 39 of 129 (619544)
06-10-2011 9:47 AM
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06-10-2011 4:53 AM


Lesson planning
Okay Robert. Let's imagine for one minute that creationism has been allowed into science lessons. Many of my science lessons have a starter, where we look at past work, then a main section that usually involves looking at evidence for that topic. I have four fifty minute lessons to teach the evidence for creationism. Tell me briefly a format for these lessons that involves looking at evidence, not lessons that refute biological evolution, but lessons that show evidence for creationism.

Oh and please, answer my previous question with a yes or no ? Would you advocate teaching flat earth theory in Geography lessons, just yes or no ?


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