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Perdition
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Message 97 of 375 (564439)
06-10-2010 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Straggler
06-10-2010 9:57 AM


Re: Equivocations and Contradictions
So what are the recognisable criteria for objectively identifying god concepts regardless of language or culture?
Different people define the word 'god' in different ways. Sometimes, they will explicitly state what definition they are using, other times, they will implicitly state it. A very easy way to figure out when a Christian is speaking of the Christian definition of a god is when they capitalize the word. If they are speaking of some other definition, they usually don't capitalize it. Now, on an internet forum, capitalization, indeed even punctuation, often fly out the window.
I think most people wuld give some necessary criteria for a god-concept to be: supernatural, creative, and awe-inspiring. Now, different religions offer different additional criteria, but they recognize a kinness with anyone who has at least the minimum requirements. That is how, despite Hindu gods not meeting all the criteria of a Christian god, they can recognize a sort of kindred belief.
They don't believe the Hindu gods are gods, but they can recognize that Hindus have a different set of criteria, and so can say that Hindus are theists. So, based on the minimum requirements for a theistic belief, Satan may be ble to be considered a gid, it is not required of Christians, who have a larger set of criteria, to recognize him as one.
So, while it would be equivocation to say that belief in gods (notice the small 'g') is an indication of the existence of God (large "G"), it is not to say that belief in gods indicates the existence of gods. This is not a logical argumet, however, it does not suffer from equivocation.
I normally agree with many of your posts, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here.

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Perdition
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Message 153 of 375 (564654)
06-11-2010 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Straggler
06-10-2010 4:12 PM


Re: Equivocations and Contradictions
Of course Christians are going to rebrand the term god to uphold their own self proclaimed assertions. But to anyone not applying the specific Christian definition, including Christians when they are discussing theism more objectively, the term "god" blatantly includes concepts such as Satan.
I would hazard to say that a Christian, if they're being honest, would say that Satan meets the minimum requirements to be considered a god, when speaking in the broad sense of the term. However, in Christianity, Satan doesn't meet the additinal requirements, so Satan is not considered a god in Christianity.
The thing is, many things that almost no one would consider a god meets these requirements, such as fairies, pixies, leprechauns, angels, demons, and ghosts.
I am not interested (in this thread) in what argument Christians are making when they use the term "god". I am interested only in the concepts that they apply this term to and that the application of said term to indicate that which they would accept as genuine forms of theistic belief.
As with most people, thy let the person they are describing as theist define the term god. Me, being an atheist, I don't believe any of the god concepts are real, but I don't consider everyone to be an atheist. They all believe in a god as they define it. The definition is subjective, and most people, when talking about other cultures or people, let those other people or cultures define god(s) in their own way, and then we take them at their word.
The contradiction arises when they want to apply the term god to the beliefs of other cultures whilst denying that Satan is any form of god. See Slevesque's use of the term in the quotes below (incidentally notice the large G)
Satan is a Christian concept, therefore Christians get to define the parameters, even when a Muslim or Hindu is talking about them. Conversely, a Christian, when talking about Hindus' beliefs, must accept the Hindus' definition of gods. It's not a contradiction, it's an understanding of the conflicting definitions and different cultures. The most honest thing to do is to judge a culture or religion by that culture or religion's own parameters, rather than trying to force it into a foreing framework.
So is Slevesque talking about the Christian God in these examples? If not what concept of god is he talking about? And why would Satan be discluded from that?
You'd have to ask Slevesque that. I can't read his mind to decipher what he meant, especially out of context.

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