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DBlevins
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Message 446 of 479 (571411)
07-31-2010 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by RAZD
07-30-2010 11:42 PM


Gravitons versus God
Take the graviton as an example of something that is claimed to exist but for which there is currently no objective empirical evidence that it exists.
Your forgetting a basic tenet of why we think gravitons might exist and therefor it is an invalid and useless analogy. Whether gravitons exist or not is an answer to a specific scientific question not a theology. You could have said the same about any number of sub-atomic particles which we haven't detected and yet we have empirical evidence of sub-atomic particles, therefore it is not a unreasonable supposition that gravitons might exist. If we had empirical evidence that there might be a god, then we would not be unreasonable to suggest that there might be more.
I think a more reasonable analogy would be between god/s and my neighbors invisible pink unicorn. If you could not disprove the existence of that unicorn, what would be the difference between them? Claims that can not be tested and immune to disproof are veridically worthless.

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DBlevins
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Message 453 of 479 (571475)
07-31-2010 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by DevilsAdvocate
07-31-2010 8:34 PM


Gravitons
It is not just opinion based on experience, it is predictions made on indirect evidence as I showed with the decreasing orbital energy of the binary pulsar. There is evidence, just not enough yet to say without a shadow of doubt that gravitons actually exist. There is a difference here.
Phenomena such as gravitons either exist or do not exist. Something can't 50% exist. Science has to start from somewhere. If it starts with, like you said, a possibility that anything and everything can exist than you are saying it is up to science to falsify everything from supernatural beings to unicorns. Again, science does not work this way. It cannot work this way whether you says it does or not.
I think the hard part is getting RAZD to realize that we have actual data that sub-atomic particles exist (and none for god/s), and it would be reasonable to posit the existence of gravitons based on what we know about quantum physics.
We are not looking for gravitons in a vaccum.

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