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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 479 (564204)
06-08-2010 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by killinghurts
06-06-2010 10:04 PM


Corroborating Evidence
killinghurts writes:
One thing that really seems quite amazing to me is the number of religions/cults that claim to worship the one and only 'true' God. Surely they can't all be correct, according to the bible there is only one God (Exodus 20:1-6)
What steps would you take to identify a false religion?
Corroborating evidence that it is supernatural.
    Johnny come lately takeoff from an old established doctrine, contradictory to the original. Usually this originates from one self acclaimed prophet. Examples of this are Mormonism and Islam, both take - offs from the Biblical record, contradictory in some aspects from the original but having enough of it to draw adherrants.
These come to mind.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 25 of 479 (564246)
06-09-2010 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Coyote
06-09-2010 12:01 AM


Re: Corroborating Evidence
Coyote writes:
Don't forget contradictory evidence. It takes very little contradictory evidence to disprove an idea or belief -- or a theory.
Of course, you do mean the debatable evidence, debatable relative to the thesis premise which determines the application of that evidence.
The more corroborating non-contradictory evidence supportive to a given religion, the more ligitimate it becomes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 479 (564314)
06-09-2010 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Coyote
06-09-2010 12:03 AM


Re: Corroborating Evidence
Coyote writes:
Buzsaw writes:
4. How old is it? If it's true, it should have been around from the beginning of recorded human history having some established doctrine.
5. It should not be a Johnny come lately takeoff from an old established doctrine, contradictory to the original. ...
You're Jewish?
No. I am part English, part Norwegian, part German, a tad of French and the rest mongrel.
Christianity is not an aborrition of Judaism who's scriptures are messianic, the prophets of Judaism declaring a christ/messiah would emerge. Judiasm's OT prophets, including King David himself alluded to specific tennants of Christianity, including the suffering savior. Isaiah 53 etc are examples of this. They are in many OT books.
The Jews were apostate from their own scripture more than they were following the precepts of Jehovah. They were scattered globally because of idolitry etc. They were exiled in apostacy and ignorant of their own scriptures, much like most Christians today are not students of our own scriptures. Thus they fail to understand the significance of the restoration of the nation after 19 long centuries of dispersement.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 479 (564315)
06-09-2010 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Dr Adequate
06-09-2010 9:52 AM


The Waiting Game
Dr Adequate writes:
Step #2: Ask its adherents to provide any evidence that it's true.
step # 2A Deny any evidence not attributed to a secularist worldview premise.
Dr Adequate writes:
Step #3: Wait ...
Step #4: Wait ...
Step #5: Wait ...
Step #6: Wait ...
Step #7: Wait ...
Step #8: Wait ...
Step #9: Wait ...

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 479 (564319)
06-09-2010 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Rahvin
06-09-2010 6:50 PM


Re: Buzsaw, meet Bayes.
Rahvin writes:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, not simply the fulfillment of a prophesy interpreted so vaguely as to potentially apply to any number of similar events.
Rahvin, your message, depicting a single prophecy, is a strawman, so far as my argument goes. I've never argued that one prophecy would be adequate grounds to believe the Biblical record.
I consistently apply corroborated evidence in debating the Biblical record. That includes the prophecies.
Jesus, the NT messiah/christ, meeting the corroborated conditions predicted in the OT Jewish scriptures, himself used some of those OT prophecies to proclaim his role. He also corroborated the OT prophets by his own Luke 21 prophecy that the city of Jerusalem would be occupied by the Gentiles until the end times when their occupation would cease.
Relative to the OP of this topic, religions which deny evidence like this supportive to the Biblical record, including some ultra-liberal Christian religions can be assumed to be false.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 479 (564340)
06-09-2010 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by anglagard
06-09-2010 11:09 PM


Re: Corroborating Evidence
Anglagard writes:
If you are such an advocate of Christianity over Judaism, why do you place more importance upon which day is the sabbath, the supposed inferiority of women, or indeed all the present day impossible rules of Deuteronomy and Leviticus (see Year of Living Biblically) than you do over the content of the Sermon on the Mount? or for that matter any of the Gospels? To me it seems it's all Paul and Revelations, Jesus be damned.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 44 of 479 (564392)
06-10-2010 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Phage0070
06-10-2010 1:58 AM


Re: Corroborating Evidence
Phage... writes:
So my last question is, how old are these prophecies you are referring to? A few years? A few hundred years? Maybe a few *thousand* years? What does that equate to in impressiveness?
To delve into specific prophecies would be for other topics. Click on my name to bring up my profile and you will find some in the archives.
For the most part the prophecies to which I allude, the fulfillments of the most significant ones are are thousands of years after the prophecies were given. The most significant ones regarding the restoration of Israel have occurred in the last 100 years, prophesied by OT prophets as well as Jesus in the NT. .

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 479 (564448)
06-10-2010 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Dr Adequate
06-10-2010 8:29 AM


Re: Corroborating Evidence
Dr Adequate writes:
King Cyrus of Persia (see Isaiah 45:1).
So Cyrus was wounded and killed for the transgressions of the people as per Isaiah 53, etc, sold for 30 pieces of silver, had his clothes divided among the soldiers, as per the Psalms, came back from heaven, landing on the Mt of Olives, as per Zechaiah, had all nations coming up yearly to Jerusalem, his headquarters, to honor him, etc? Is that what you're alleging, Dr Adequate?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 49 of 479 (564606)
06-11-2010 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Dr Adequate
06-10-2010 4:47 PM


Re: The Lord's Anointed
Dr Adequate writes:
No, I'm alleging that the Bible calls him Messiah ( ), the Lord's Anointed.
    the Lord's anointed, being anointed by the high priest to become king. This was not the case with Persian kings.
Edited by Buzsaw, : rephrase

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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