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Author Topic:   Potential Evidence for a Global Flood
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Message 43 of 320 (565405)
06-16-2010 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Coyote
06-16-2010 11:15 AM


Re: Back to the basics
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
How else can one argue for a global flood about 4,350 years ago, when the overwhelming body of evidence shows there was no such flood?
You have made this statement many times in many threads.
I would like to know what kind of global flood you are talking about as you have never made that clear.
Could you please outline what you believe the flood presented in Genesis would look like.
Now don't confuse what is written in Genesis with what you have argued against here on EvC that YEC'S have presented.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 49 of 320 (565626)
06-18-2010 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Coyote
06-16-2010 4:37 PM


Re: Back to the basics
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes:
The problem is that we don't find that evidence. It simply is not there.
At the time of the Genesis flood according to the text all land mass was in one place and all water was in one place. Similiar to my Avatar.
Moses writes:
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
There is no mention of a dividing of the land mass until Genesis 10:25 when it tells us the Earth was divided in the days of Peleg.
Peleg was born 100 years after the flood. He lived to be 239 years old. If those numbers are correct The division of the land mass could have taken place any time during his life time.
So according to the Bible account the land mass was all in one place when the flood took place. The land mass was divided somewhere from 100 to 329 years after the flood.
With the land mass all in one place at the time of the flood and then being divided as it is today what would you expect to find in your search for a global flood?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 55 of 320 (565642)
06-18-2010 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Rahvin
06-18-2010 1:20 PM


Re: Back to the basics
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
We have to know what your hypothesis cannot explain in order to test its accuracy.
I don't have a hypothesis.
I had this question for Coyote. If you care to answer the question please do.
ICANT writes:
So according to the Bible account the land mass was all in one place when the flood took place. The land mass was divided somewhere from 100 to 329 years after the flood.
With the land mass all in one place at the time of the flood and then being divided as it is today what would you expect to find in your search for a global flood?
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 56 of 320 (565643)
06-18-2010 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Coyote
06-18-2010 1:31 PM


Re: Back to the basics
Hi Coyote,
Thanks for the reply but rather than your sermon I would like to have had an answer to the question.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 60 of 320 (565670)
06-18-2010 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Rahvin
06-18-2010 4:53 PM


Re: Back to the basics
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
So according to the Bible account the land mass was all in one place when the flood took place. The land mass was divided somewhere from 100 to 329 years after the flood.
That's your hypothesis.
That is not my hypothesis. That is what the Bible says.
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Land in one place, water in one place.
Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
Earth was divided.
Now I did do a little research and found out when Peleg lived and died.
Now if this was my hypothesis I would say that with the flood occurring prior to the breaking up of the land mass you would find zero support for a global flood.
I know you don't think it is possible that it could happen like the Bible says as we have discussed this in the past.
I can believe that it did just as easily as you believe the universe just is when I ask you where it came from.
Rahvin writes:
Asking Coyote what he would expect to find is not the best question to test the accuracy of your hypothesis.
I was asking because he seems so adamant that he knows what he would find if the flood took place as the Bible says.
Assuming that he did seems to have been a bad assumption on my part.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 308 of 320 (635253)
09-28-2011 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Robert Byers
09-14-2011 1:28 AM


Hi Robert,
Robert Byers writes:
All one finds is layers laid by a layering process.
A chaotic flow structure could do this too.
I believe the Bible account of creation and I also believe the Noah flood took place.
But it takes trillions upon trillions, upon trillions upon trillions of tons of decayed life forms to produce the trillions upon trillions of barrels of oil, and trillions of tons of coal, and trillions of cubit feet of natural gas in the Earth.
These items are buried under miles of rock, does your little chaotic flow structure produce enough material to cover those life forms to the depth they are buried?
I would assume the bigger problem would be where did all those life forms come from that was buried in the short span of 2,000 years?
In the Bay of Fundy the water rises and falls over 55 feet 2 times in a 24 hour period and does very little damage and leaves little evidence that it rose and fell that much.
It never ceases to amaze me at all the hoops people try to jump through just to be able to present their beliefs. That goes for those on both sides of the argument.
If the text is correct and I believe it is, all the land mass was in one place when the flood took place and was not divided until the days in which Peleg lived.
Yes it took outside intervention for the flood to take place as presented in the Bible.
Yes it took outside intervention for the Earth to be divided as presented in the Bible.
But anyone who believes Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning created God the Heavens and the Earth" should have no problem believing the two events spoken of above took place.
But if you (or anyone else out there) have any information or idea how our natural resources got buried under up to 5 miles of rock and their source please share.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 317 of 320 (635586)
09-29-2011 10:05 PM


Summation
I had very little to say in the debate as I usually don't debate the flood.
There is no way the 5 miles of rock that covers fossile fuels, oil in particular could be produced and deposited on the earth during a 1 year flood, and any life form exist.
So no, all creationsist do not believe that the flood produced the events that most YEC'S believe it did.
I personally do not believe it produced any more than is produced at the Bay of Fundy 2 times a day as the water rises and falls 55 feet every day and you can hardly tell it was there.
The Bible says the highest point was covered with 15 cubits of water. Using the largest cubit known that would be less than 30 feet.
Since there was only one mass of land at that time it could have all been 1 foot above sea level and the highest point could have been 3 feet above sea level. If the ark was built on the highest point on the land mass it did not even have to float as the door was over 35 feet from the ground.
Since the water came from all sides of the land mass as well as from the atmosphere and had 40 days to cover the highest point by less than 30 feet in 40 days.
The Bay of Fundy rises 55 feet in 6 hours.
So without the violent eruptions put forth by the YEC'S there would not be all the layers of sediment being preached in most of the flood threads here at EvC.
But if the Bay of Fundy can rise 55 feet in 6 hours and then fall 55 feet in 6 hours and you can't see everything washed away, why would anyone assume that if the water rose a few hundred feet in 40 days it would leave any sign that it did so?
Moose thinks it took a very long process for the layers of Earth to be formed, I agree with that statement.
The difference is that I think it took a few trillion years longer than he and everyone else does.
But for the vegetation and life forms to be formed and die and then be covered by miles of rock to produce the trillions of barrels of oil underground took a very long time.
That would take enough material to cover the vegetation and life forms by from 1 mile to 5 miles with rock.
So no, the flood spoken of in Genesis did not produce all that material.
Maybe one day we can discuss exactly what the Bible says about the flood. The problem with that is everyone here has already made up their mind what they believe the Bible says about the event.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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