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Author Topic:   Problems with evolution? Submit your questions.
Dr Adequate
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Message 16 of 60 (565939)
06-22-2010 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Flyer75
06-22-2010 1:58 AM


If comets have been proven by all scientists alike to only be able to "survive" for roughly 100,000 years ...
They haven't.

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Message 25 of 60 (566054)
06-22-2010 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by ICANT
06-22-2010 3:29 PM


Re: Question
I take information to be a message with a sender that is responsible for the information and a receiver.
The information is any message the sender chooses to compose.
OK, so I suppose in the biological case the sender is evolution, the message is the genomes ... and the receivers, I guess, are the ribosomes.

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Message 34 of 60 (566121)
06-23-2010 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Flyer75
06-23-2010 2:48 AM


Re: Comets
Kitsune, that's a fair enough post. I never said that an Oort Cloud wouldn't be discovered someday, or something resembling one, but until now, one has not been observed, only hypothesized.
Also, remember that the reason that the Oort cloud and Kuiper belt were hypothesized is that we know that new inner-solar-system comets are coming from somewhere.
An astronomer explains:
Because of their high mortality rates, periodic comets cannot have been periodic for long but must originally have been comets of very long periods having nearly parabolic orbits. Within the recent past (perhaps the last few thousand years) their orbits have been drastically altered to their present relatively small size by perturbations produced by the planets, especially Jupiter. Those occasional comets that are highly spectacular, and hence cannot have suffered appreciable disintegration, almost invariably have nearly parabolic orbits, and also they have not been seen before in recorded history. --- George Abell, Exploring the Universe
New comets turn up. The hypotheses of Oort and Kuiper try to explain where they come from, but the creationist argument is shot down by the fact that they do.
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This was one of the first YEC arguments I came across. Short orbit comets, I was told, can only go fifty times round the Sun before evaporating completely.
So I googled to find out the comet with the shortest known orbit. It's Enke's Comet, and it has a period of 3.3 years. If comets only get fifty trips round the Sun, and if you can use them to date the solar system ... then the solar system was created in 1845, tops.
The alternative explanation is that it only recently became a short-orbit comet, and used to be further out. Unless you believe that the solar system was created eighteen-and-a-half centuries after Christ, you have to believe that explanation.
So whether it came from the Oort cloud, from the Kuiper belt, from the depths of galactic space, or from giant space aliens having a snowball fight, is immaterial to the question of whether you can use such comets to date the solar system. Clearly, you can't.

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Message 35 of 60 (566126)
06-23-2010 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by SwampDonkey
06-20-2010 2:51 AM


The second law of thermodynamics clearly states that bananas are the atheist's worst nightmare. But monkeys don't believe in God, because they have no souls. So why are there still monkeys?

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Message 36 of 60 (566128)
06-23-2010 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by articulett
06-23-2010 2:21 AM


Re: sorry
Huntard, message #13 writes:
What does this have to do with evolution?
articulett, message #28 writes:
And what does this have to do with evolution?
Given the rate at which evolution occurs, the notion that all present species were produced by evolutionary mechanisms from a common ancestor predicts that the Earth is old (and therefore that the solar system is old, and therefore that the universe is old).
This prediction has been independently confirmed by geologists, physicists, and cosmologists, which is a score for Darwin.
Proof that the universe is only a few thousand years old would falsify this prediction.
I think this is why the vast majority of creationists are YECs. If they can manage to be wrong about the age of the Earth, they don't need to be wrong about anything else. (Of course, they are, but that would suffice.)
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 40 of 60 (566168)
06-23-2010 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by ICANT
06-23-2010 9:45 AM


Re: Question
How can evolution be the producer of the information?
Uh ... by evolution being the producer of the information?
If evolution is the result of the processing of the information that is sent to the receiver by the sender.
But as I understood your post, evolution is the sender.
Try to be more specific.

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