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Wertbag
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Message 1 of 20 (97599)
04-03-2004 10:16 PM


I came across this arguement for creation that I hadn't heard before, is there someone who understands this idea and is it actually true?
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Have you ever heard of the mathematical term PHI? It is pronounced fee. The number is roughly 1.618. It is reguarded by many people as the most beautiful number in the world. I know ur like why?? Well there is a very interesting way you can get that number. Wait, did I say there is a way? I am sorry there are millions upon millions of ways u can find phi. Got you attention now? It is called divine proportion or the Golden ratio. Here are your examples. A nautalis(spelling) sea shell is in spirals. You know like a galaxy. The circumference of one ring to another = 1.618. Sunflower seeds circumference divided by the one below it = 1.618. The circumference of a pine cone ring divided by the one above it = phi. The circumference of the rings on a tree divided by the one before it = 1.618. Your head to your toes divided by your navel to your toes. Your hip to toes divided by your knee to your toes = 1.618. Your shoulder to your finger tips, divided by your elbow to your fingertips = 1.618. Those are just a few examples look it up online for more. BUT the one I find the most interesting is this. In any Honey bee colony in the world, ANY ONE, The number of female bees divided by the number of male bees = 1.618 = phi = Golden ration = divine proportion = That we came from some "chance in time by some energy forms colliding?" No. It shows that we had to be created by someone who has that energy to create a universe and that all things in nature have something in common, which should prove we didn't happen by chance.

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jessie
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Message 2 of 20 (97601)
04-03-2004 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wertbag
04-03-2004 10:16 PM


Blessings Wertbag,
Is there a website? Or does one just look up PHI?
Jessie

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Message 3 of 20 (97603)
04-03-2004 10:32 PM
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04-03-2004 10:16 PM


Phi is known as the Golden Ratio and is related to the Fibonacci Sequence.
http://www.geocities.com/robinhuiscool/Goldenratio.html
http://mathforum.org/library/topics/golden_ratio/
http://fc.nbsc.org/~5/math01/Fibonacci2.html

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RAZD
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Message 4 of 20 (97623)
04-03-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wertbag
04-03-2004 10:16 PM


(1+5e-2)/2
The circumference of the rings on a tree divided by the one before it = 1.618
This one is false, as you would be able to tell from looking at tree rings, because they vary in thickness due to climate. I have a feeling a number of the other ones are also false. Lenghts of limbs vary for different people. The Nautilus however is true.
The greeks knew this ratio (they named it the "golden ratio" because they felt if was a harmoniously shaped rectangle and used it often in their architecture - the base of the Parthenon for one). It is the ratio of length to width of a rectangle needed to cut a square off a rectangle and have a rectangle remaining that is proportionally the same - from that you can derive the above formula.
It is also the ratio of the 'diagonal' of a pentagon to a side (which you can prove mathematically) -- and now you can draw a perfect pentagram.
Read the DaVinci Code for more (relates to a famous sketch of his and the proportions of limbs - the man spread-eagled on a star in a circle), but ...
... assuming it is evidence? Why is it any more evidence than pi or e or ..... ? I would be more impressed if they all were a rational numbers ... if you ask me.
ps - there is a poster on the board with 1.618 for a nickname.

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Message 5 of 20 (97659)
04-04-2004 10:34 AM
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Re: (1+5e-2)/2
I'm a be-leever.

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RAZD
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Message 6 of 20 (97674)
04-04-2004 12:46 PM
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04-04-2004 10:34 AM


Re: (1+5e-2)/2
Hey rocket
is the golden ratio used in rocket design?

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Message 7 of 20 (97753)
04-04-2004 11:07 PM
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04-04-2004 12:46 PM


Re: (1+5e-2)/2
Well, I'm glad you asked that Mr. Leever. Yes, indirectly, it's one of the most critical equations in rocket science. It typically expressed as the nozzle exit plane ratio to the thrust chamber diameter...maximum efficiency at sea-level AND in a vacuum....both are in terms of diameter, but neither have a darn thing to do with tree rings, elbows or the "impoverishly rounded objects" that rockets are designed to travel to.

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RAZD
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Message 8 of 20 (97762)
04-05-2004 12:00 AM
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04-04-2004 11:07 PM


Re: (1+5e-2)/2
and I thought that was MDOT
not G.Ratio
go west young man
(or was that horatio)

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SRO2 
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Message 9 of 20 (97765)
04-05-2004 12:06 AM
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04-05-2004 12:00 AM


Re: (1+5e-2)/2
It is, along with weight...MDOT is how you derive ISP (Specific impulse) required for a given mass for a given distance at optimum efficiency (gas mileage (they hate it when I call it that).

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Mark_L
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Message 10 of 20 (99726)
04-13-2004 4:11 PM


Chemistry
Would you guys happen to know any connections of Phi, Divine Proportion, Golden Mean/Section/Number/Ratio (or whatever you want to call it), with chemistry?

  
mike the wiz
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Message 11 of 20 (99770)
04-13-2004 9:03 PM
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04-04-2004 10:34 AM


Abby Leever= Rocket retriever
If you re-arrange this it could mean "I am Abe Leever" or if you subsitute the "e" for a "y" and add a "b" - "I am Abby Leever".
I know that you know Abby, but are you infact Abby?

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SRO2 
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Message 12 of 20 (99772)
04-13-2004 9:08 PM
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04-13-2004 9:03 PM


Re: Abby Leever= Rocket retriever
No. I promise I'm not. I have a website but I can't give out the address. If Abby wants to e-mail you the address he can, it has seperate photos of he and I. It's up to Abby if he wants to give it to you if you really need proof.

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mike the wiz
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Message 13 of 20 (99774)
04-13-2004 9:12 PM
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04-13-2004 9:08 PM


Re: Abby Leever= Rocket retriever
Lol, it is all in the name of humor.
I seek no proof, I am just trying to tie up loose ends. Hover your mouse pointer over my name.

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Message 14 of 20 (99777)
04-13-2004 9:24 PM
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04-13-2004 9:12 PM


Re: Abby Leever= Rocket retriever
HEY! DID YOU JUST SHOOT ME A BIRD!?!

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RAZD
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Message 15 of 20 (99784)
04-13-2004 9:39 PM
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04-13-2004 9:12 PM


Re: Abby Leever= Rocket retriever
ahahahaaa
there are a number of puns built into the name ... you have one, sort of ...

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