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Message 106 of 752 (575681)
08-20-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Dr Adequate
08-20-2010 7:36 PM


6&1
5&2
4&3
???
5&1
4&2
3&3
???
6&2
5&3
4&4
???

Why is seven more likely than six or eight?


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Message 110 of 752 (575688)
08-20-2010 8:01 PM
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08-20-2010 7:58 PM


Okay. Makes sense.


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Message 138 of 752 (575918)
08-21-2010 6:34 PM
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08-21-2010 5:22 PM


Micro evolution works on existing information. Macro evolution works on the introduction of new information. With me now?

Huh?

I'm sorry but that is just silly.


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Message 147 of 752 (575929)
08-21-2010 7:40 PM
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08-21-2010 7:06 PM


Did you even read the nonsense you posted?

What exactly do you propose as the limiting factor that stops micro evolution from becoming macro evolution?

Is there some reason you are unable to learn how to do quotes?

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Message 165 of 752 (576028)
08-22-2010 2:23 PM
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08-22-2010 2:17 PM


That depends on the specific incident.

For example, if Special Creation was actually observed it would very likely overturn the whole Theory of Evolution.

More likely though is something that leads to a new understanding of the existing science.


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Message 308 of 752 (579994)
09-07-2010 8:05 AM
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09-07-2010 7:57 AM


Re: Claims
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God created each animal after it's kind with enough genetic information to give us the variety we see today, and this information is slowly declining (generally speaking).

Ah, the old Super-Genome nonsense.

I assume you are familiar with Oetzi?


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Message 323 of 752 (580226)
09-08-2010 8:32 AM
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09-08-2010 3:48 AM


Re: Claims
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quote:
Oetzi

No. I am not at all. Can you offer my a source to read up on it?

You can start by reading this thread called "Looking for the Super-Genome. -And it ain't found".

If the Genesis 2 myth were true then Oetzi would have been alive at the time of Adam, likely a grandson or so.

The important thing about Oetzi is that not only did we get samples of his genetic makeup, he was covered in pollen, had blood from four other humans on him, had plants and shrooms and arrows and axe handles and his clothes and shoes and we could even tell what he had eaten and when he had eaten it.

Oetzi gave us an enormous amount of genetic information about plants and critters and people, all from the time Adam would have been alive.

And guess what?

The genetic information shows us that the critters and plants and people then did NOT have "all the genes necessary to explain the variety of life we see around us". In fact, the genes were almost identical to what exists today, a sub-group as opposed to a super-group.

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Message 329 of 752 (580283)
09-08-2010 1:11 PM
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09-08-2010 1:09 PM


What makes you think only 10% of your brain gets used?


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Message 342 of 752 (580403)
09-08-2010 11:06 PM
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09-08-2010 10:51 PM


Re: Claims
First, if you are claiming that Oetzi was alive during Adams life, then you are to some extent saying that the Biblical account of a person named Adam was correct, since there is no mention of Adam in any non-religious texts. So if the Bible is all we have to go on, then you are wrong. But I first want to clear up a few questions:

Of course the Biblical Garden of Eden is not factual. I'm saying that Oetzi was alive during the period that the Bible places the character Adam.

Where did the name Oetzi come from? From the discoverers? Or was that his real name?

LOL. From the discoverers.

What condition was he in (I'm speaking more to the soft tissue, since I am aware that he had shoes, and he was a certain height, I can easily assume that his clothes and his bones were intact)?

Remarkable shape.

Now to my points. If you are saying that the Biblical acount of Adam is true, then all people would have been killed in the flood, except for noahs family. So it is possible that he lived before the flood, but I don't know enough about this person to offer any educated assumptions of any kind.

Of course neither the account of Adam or the Biblical Flood are factual.

Next would be the age issue, I need to know what method was used to determine age. The reason for this is because the Bible tells of many people who were 10 to 12 feet in height, and supposed 'giants' (such as the giants in the Bible (such as Goliath and the Gibeonites) much taller. If age estimates were based on physical features, then the age if determined from an ID bias would probably make him much younger. But again, I'm not sure how they determined this.

It depends on what you mean by age, how old he was at the time of his death or how long ago he lived.

The genetic point is that Oetzi allows us to look at several human samples as well as samples (of course we already have many other samples going back long before even the Garden of Eden) of plants, fungus, other animals, woods and skins. The interesting point is that there was nothing unusual about any of the samples, no sign that there has ever been some "perfect" genome.


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Message 364 of 752 (580471)
09-09-2010 8:40 AM
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Re: Claims
If he has no living decendants, this would support the theory of a flood, since all of mankind today would have been decendants of Noah. If a global flood did happen (though this is not currently the subject of debate), the levels of pollen would have changed dramatically, as well as altering any other samples used to give him his supposed age.

First, there was no Biblical Flood. That has been totally refuted. Even Oetzi's existence refutes the flood. Think. He was found in a glacier. If he had died thousands of years before the flood, then somehow submerged in water for a frikken year and a half, just what would you expect to be left?

And even if true, how would the flood have altered anything related to him? The skins he wore. the pollen in him, the tools and arrows he had, the blood on him the shoes on his feet and grasses in the shoes, the herbs and shrooms in his tote bag, how exactly could some imagined flood change those things without leaving any traces of being in water for a year or more?

How do you run Oetzi through a flood and not separate him from the arrows, the axe, the pouch, his clothes, his shoes...

Though the number may be correct, I don't think it's fair to say they know for sure how old he was when he died. Global flood aside even, the levels of any natural substance changes over time, and no one could possibly know what those were over 5000 years ago.

Why? As we grow our bones and teeth change. It's possible to look at signs of wear, at which teeth are present, which bones have grown, things like skull fusing, and arrive at an approximate age.

In addition, we most certainly can tell what different levels of naturally occurring substances have been over time by looking at the evidence over time. Oetzi is a great example of evidence that tells us what the levels of substances were at the time he lived.

Oetzi is evidence.

The Biblical Flood is myth.


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Message 371 of 752 (580997)
09-12-2010 9:06 PM
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09-12-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Evolution Proven Wrong Again (Bump)
He was just danglin the worm in front of Swamp Donkey who as expected, did not even take a nibble. Peers Swamp Donkey jess didn't like the odds and so swam on off.


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Message 512 of 752 (598921)
01-03-2011 7:19 PM
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01-03-2011 7:13 PM


I believe this supports my theory of planned transition from original life to evolution and gradual changes in life.

HUH!!!!!

Where is there ANY evidence of ANYTHING planned?


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Message 522 of 752 (598972)
01-04-2011 2:16 PM
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01-04-2011 1:55 PM


Nonsense.

Things not yet explained are ... things not yet explained.

Pretending there was some intervention is simply silly until you present the model of exactly how the intervention was done.

Just as the "Big Bang" angered many scientists, especially those of athestic beliefs, so the translation system cannot be solved w/o a Planned beginning.

Yet more utter nonsense. Monseigneur Lemaître himself berated the Pope for thinking that it implied anything beyond a natural event.


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Message 525 of 752 (598998)
01-04-2011 4:33 PM
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01-04-2011 2:43 PM


Which, of course, is simply word salad and utterly irrelevant to this issue.

If you wish to present some problem with evolution, doing a copy-n-paste of some philosophic ramblings about an old man's opinions carries no weight.

If you wish to claim that there was some planning or intervention in this specific incident then you need to bring the planner in and sit him on the table to be examined and for him to demonstrate the method used to intervene.

Until then you have nothing of any value or worth related to this topic.


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Message 529 of 752 (599048)
01-04-2011 7:08 PM
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01-04-2011 7:04 PM


Well if there is no natural mechanism and something exists, can one not consider a supernatural?

No, one cannot.


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