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Message 217 of 752 (577768)
08-30-2010 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by bluegenes
08-30-2010 6:24 AM


Re: Shocking lack of amino acids in DNA
The Divine Secrets.

Phrase highlighted several paragraphs down.

Didn't this nutball(or someone like her) post here not too long ago? I have a vague memory of a poster that was offering to show us(in her self published book for $29.99) the true secrets of how DNA had a secret code or something like that.


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Message 229 of 752 (578061)
08-31-2010 4:54 PM
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08-31-2010 4:27 PM


I suspect they also serve some protective function to the nerves in our fingertips that help us with feeling.

I can attest that this is probably why we still have them. I had a bad nail on my left index finger for over a year. Without the fingernail my finger would feel numb and get injured more than my other index finger. Since my fingernail grew back I no long have numbness in my finger and it does not get as injured.


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Message 257 of 752 (578290)
09-01-2010 10:55 AM
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09-01-2010 1:34 AM


post removed
Others had beaten it to death. No need to pile on

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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Message 258 of 752 (578291)
09-01-2010 11:05 AM
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08-31-2010 5:58 AM


What the hell is this crap?
Were you adopted?

What does being adopted have to do with anything on this board? Is there a stigma you you feel adopted people should have? You have a problem with people that are adopted and people that adopt?

Listen asshole. If you can not keep the debate to the subject move along. You want to have a debate on adoption and adoptees bring it on. Until then keep to the subject of the debates or shut your fucking mouth.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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Message 260 of 752 (578345)
09-01-2010 2:31 PM
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09-01-2010 5:48 AM


Re: Shocking lack of amino acids in DNA
Statistically, they are more likely drop out of school, commit crimes, and not go to college.

How about providing those statistics.


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Message 273 of 752 (578882)
09-02-2010 10:56 PM
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09-01-2010 5:48 AM


dennis780 claims adopted stupider than other people
quote:
Are adopted people particularly stupid?

Statistically, they are more likely drop out of school, commit crimes, and not go to college.

Still waiting for those statistics.


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Message 277 of 752 (578890)
09-02-2010 11:26 PM
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09-02-2010 11:12 PM


Re: dennis780 claims adopted stupider than other people
Nothing in the abstract of the first says anything about adoptees in comparison to the general public. It is a study of specific adopted people.

In the second I see no statistics or evidence for adoptees being more prone to anything than the general population. I realize there is a thing as ACS, but you have provided nothing showing adoptees are less intelligent or more likely to be incarcerated as you asserted earlier. I am not saying you are wrong, I just want evidence. So still waiting for the statistics

Hense the expression: Were you adopted?

Never heard the expression before. It is very insulting to adopted people. Might get your ass kicked someday if you say it to the wrong person.

P.S.
The word is spelled Hence.


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Message 281 of 752 (578981)
09-03-2010 8:58 AM
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09-03-2010 8:15 AM


Re: dennis780 claims adopted stupider than other people
Again you provide nothing that says people that are adopted are more prone to, as I quote you.

Statistically, they are more likely drop out of school, commit crimes, and not go to college.

Your first attempt.
Foster children are not adopted children. They are totally different things. Foster children are foster children because they are not adopted. They tend not to be adopted because the birth parents are still usually involved to some point. You might want to do some basic research on the difference.

Nothing in your second quoted item says anything about adoption either. Divorce rarely leads to an adoption. Also please provide a link to this reference. I think the basic findings of this study may be being misinterpreted, It is not the divorce that is the cause of the issue probably as much as the people that are the parents. I would really like to see the whole study.

So, lets review.

Your original premise about adopted people was.

Statistically, they are more likely drop out of school, commit crimes, and not go to college.

Evidence to support this assertion so far.

None.

Oh, and you agree with the subtitle? You don't seem to have any problem with it.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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Message 287 of 752 (579776)
09-06-2010 12:27 AM
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09-06-2010 12:01 AM


Re: dennis780 claims adopted stupider than other people
Although I am certain this may be the case in some instances, I have to disagree. My mom fostered children for over 20 years, and still does (since I was 12). In the 8 years I lived at home with these different kids, I never once met their parents, or in any way saw that their parents were involved with their life. In fact, I can think of at least 5 that their parents were dead, 3 that had their kids taken away, and 2 that their parents abused them.

I don't know about Alberta but things are way different in Wisconsin. I am currently on the foster parent rolls. We do emergency and respite care. Rarely are parental rights severed. In this county upwards of 90% of kids in foster care see their parents regularly. We have been hoping to adopt out of foster care but as of yet there have been none up for adoption.

You have anecdote on this. I have facts.

quote:
Statistically, they are more likely drop out of school, commit crimes, and not go to college.

Passed with flying colors. If you think any of the information is not valid, please feel free to prove me wrong. If you want to voice your opinion, feel free. But this doesn't make me wrong, it makes you adopted, hahahahaha. DING.

Actually no. All you have done is shown that they are overrepresented in serial killers. So are men.
You have shown nothing about dropouts, committing crimes(other than serial killers), and not go to college.


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Message 295 of 752 (579836)
09-06-2010 9:41 AM
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09-06-2010 1:11 AM


Re: dennis780 claims adopted stupider than other people
Again you are posting foster stats not adoption stats.

In order for any of your stats to have validity you need to talk about adopted not fostered.

These statistics say most cases are due to physical or sexual abuse, but also include prison time, drug and mental health issues

Notice the word foster throughout the selection.

This source also says that just over half are re-united with parents (and declining over the years), rather than the 90% number you pulled out of your butt.

There is no reference for me to check your source. I imagine it is a national figure. In our county, which is rural, the figure is actually 78%. I checked my notes from my last training session. So I was a little off. Wisconsin as a whole has a much higher percentage.

quote:
In 2007, most Wisconsin children left foster care to
return home (65%)

Source

But then again we are supposed to be talking about adopted people, not foster children. Maybe you can someday understand the difference.

Furthurmore, I have shown that adoptees and foster children are more likely to be mentally unstable, spend time in prison, and less likely to graduate. So whether you are doing your part to help these kids or not, you are still wrong. I am going to assume that the child care program is not much different that Canadas, if not worse.

Again, you keep bringing up foster care. The issue is adoptees.

The evidence will make you look stupid on it's own.

Personal attacks? Ain't that lovely. All I have done is ask you to support you assertions. If you provide evidence I will acknowledge you are correct. I do not think your claims are founded on facts, but I could be wrong. As of yet you have not supported your assertions. If you would do some research so you understood the difference between foster care and adoption you might be able to actually find real evidence.

How about you quit posting foster care info and how about we drop this since it is off topic. I understand it is a bias you have that you cannot support with evidence.


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Message 389 of 752 (581995)
09-18-2010 3:08 PM
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09-18-2010 2:04 PM


English is not Frako's first language
Leaving out the spelling errors, your sentence is still of of them (errors that is).

He is not a native English speaker.
This has been pointed out before. I don't remember if it was directly to you, but you should have the decency to be cordial to Frako.

He is doing a fantastic job in making himself understood. Before you criticize his spelling how about you try to post in Slovenian to see how well you can do at that


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Message 528 of 752 (599047)
01-04-2011 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 527 by shadow71
01-04-2011 7:04 PM


There are other ways to solve problems and reach conclusions besides science.

Any evidence for this?


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Message 538 of 752 (599085)
01-04-2011 9:00 PM
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01-04-2011 7:23 PM


Democracy comes to mind.

The discussion is about evolution not politics. Also, democracy is a subset of political science. Your comment was an implication that something counter to science could be used to solve problem and reach conclusions.

Science and Democracy are not similar things. You do not seem to be too confident in your arguments if this is the best you can come up with.


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Message 684 of 752 (607227)
03-02-2011 4:24 PM
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03-02-2011 10:18 AM


Re: my karma ran over your dogma
Blind cave fish can regain sight, I think there must still be the information in the genome that can sometimes be manifest. The information already exists.

So you are saying there is no information lost?

Make up your mind either the change was caused by loss of information or it was not. You seem to want to have it both ways.

Lets step through this.

Cave fish losses sight. This is caused by a loss of information in its DNA(according to your argument).
Cave fish then again regain ability to see. You now say that the information is still in the genome? So there was no loss of info after all?

You really need to review your arguments to make sure they mesh a little better.

ABE sorry for pile on. I didn't see this was addressed by others until I posted this.

Edited by Theodoric, : Abe Sorry for this pile on. I did not see this was addressed by others until I posted this.

Edited by Theodoric, : oops typed in wrong spot


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Message 685 of 752 (607228)
03-02-2011 4:31 PM
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03-02-2011 3:05 PM


Address posts please
Instead of addressing responses to you, all you are doing is a gish gallop.

The discussion was eyes. When you were soundly trounced on this you didn't address the issues and switched to the backbone. Now that you have been shown wrong there you switch to finger digits.

How about you grow a backbone and address the issues presented in posts to you.

You are not a very honest or ethical debater.


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