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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Why the bloody hell is the theory still accepted? Because those who know the field(s) find it the best explanation for the data. It is only those who have accepted certain beliefs for religious reasons who can't then accept the theory of evolution. But that is not based on the evidence--it is based on belief. And, as Heinlein has noted, "Belief gets in the way of learning." There is no better demonstration of this than creationists and the theory of evolution. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Evolution is also a belief, together with atheism. Evolution is a theory, supported by evidence. It is the single best explanation for that body of evidence. Atheism has nothing to do with it. Nor does "belief."
But you're all wrong my friend, I actually have learnt evolution, it simply does not follow logically that if you are creationist you cannot learn.
We are not dealing with "truth," "Truth," "TRUTH," or even "TRVTH" in science. We are dealing with what the evidence shows. You conflated learning with truth. Even learning the hypothetics of evolution does not mean that evolution is true, nore a majority consensus of religious materialist naturalists. And you have not "learned" evolution. You have accepted a specific set of beliefs for religious reasons--these beliefs have nothing to do with evidence. In fact, they are contradicted by the evidence. But, because your beliefs are not based on evidence you won't change them because of any evidence. That is not the way science works. It is in fact the exact opposite. So don't tell us you have "learned" evolution. Spend six years in graduate school studying the field, as I have, and maybe you will learn something. But given your a priori beliefs, that is doubtful. We have seen this over and over--once you accept the religious beliefs you have, you can't accept the evidence for evolution no matter how convincing it is. And you can't do science. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Let's try another test of your scientific prowess:
Do you accept the scientific evidence for an old earth? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I don't intend to turn this thread into one dealing with evidence for an old earth.
You answered the question I asked. You clearly are willing to follow religious belief no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary, all the while clinging to standard creationist apologetics--all of which has been refuted thousands of times. No point in presenting evidence to one whose mind is so closed. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Nonsense. You're just a creationist.
Rationalization and apologetics is all you have left. (See tagline.) Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
From RationalWiki:
A response by E.J. Wagenmakers et al. highlights some of the major issues that call into question the validity of the analysis by Bem.[2] Edited by Coyote, : Speeling Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
My question is why isn't the hypothesis that God created the universe and all that is in it, a scientific hypothesis according to the test above? I can produce many people who will testify that the Lord has helped them and some swear to miracles beyond scientific proof. The bible has many such exhibits in the Gospels. Thus even though this hypothesis may require extraordinary evidence, it should according to the tests for the above article be allowed to be studied by science and not rejected out of hand. Perhaps that would be a better topic for a new thread?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Desent must be destroyed. Now that sounds like dogma! Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
mutations lead to loss of function. wingless beatles etc. they can be advantagious but are inverably in the opposite direction of your theory.
You seem to be arguing from a belief in some mythical "fall." ... once the genetic information is lost it is gone chance and time will never bring it back. Your argument is not supported by real world evidence. Mutations can be deleterious, neutral, or beneficial in relation to a particular environment. Of course, if that environment changes the deleterious, neutral, or beneficial has to be reevaluated in light of that new environment. For example, the mutation for light skin would be deleterious in Africa, while it was highly beneficial in moving into and north of Europe during the recent ice age. And you are not looking at just one mutation at a time; each generation has hundreds of mutations. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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