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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 vs. Genesis 2
Theodoric
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Message 46 of 295 (568536)
07-06-2010 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by greentwiga
07-06-2010 12:22 PM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
Shall we talk about how Jared Diamond in Guns, germs, and steel describes the region and the most favorably blessed of any in the world?
Please provide the reference where he says this.

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Message 55 of 295 (568648)
07-07-2010 1:20 PM
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07-07-2010 12:50 PM


Re: Jared Diamond
Boy I really think that that is putting words in Diamond's mouth. He certainly does not make any judgments about blessed or not.
The book discusses how the eurasian landmass was more conducive to the the spread of domestication(and therfore rise of sophisticated cultures) than the Americas or Africa. But in no way does he make the subjective determination of "blessed".
That a large part of domestication of plants and animals happened in the "fertile crescent" in no way implies some sort of divine providence. You are reaching for evidence but have not found any.

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Message 56 of 295 (568649)
07-07-2010 1:22 PM
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07-07-2010 1:14 PM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
wrong poster sorry
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 57 of 295 (568650)
07-07-2010 1:23 PM
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07-07-2010 12:58 PM


Re: Redactor Makes a Tale
I just said that the Bible states that Garden was at the mountain Karacadag in SE Turkey, and that wheat was first domesticated there.
Can you cite where the bible says this?

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Message 160 of 295 (581296)
09-14-2010 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by ringo
09-14-2010 10:44 PM


Obviously the poster is incapable
I figure since he has made 3 posts and has not backed up anything up yet, then he has nothing. He definitely qualifies as the the most inept apologist we have seen in a while.

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Message 162 of 295 (581301)
09-14-2010 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-14-2010 11:17 PM


TIme to move on
Either make an argument or move on.
As of yet you have not backed up any of your assertions. So that says to me that you have nothing to back them up with.
We have rules here. You might want to read them.
The Rules
#4 pertains particular to you and your meaningless posts.
quote:
#4 Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.
Oh yeah you want to present some facts? I didn't think so.

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Message 207 of 295 (581435)
09-15-2010 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Joseppi
09-15-2010 12:33 PM


Re: Chronology
It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English
You do realize the OT was originally written in Hebrew don't you?
Others also don't realize that the LORD God who put the Bible together speaks perfect English and specifies all his terms and meanings.
Then why are there so many conflicting variations, translations and interpretations?
Which is the correct English version? and why is the one you state the correct one?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 210 of 295 (581464)
09-15-2010 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 6:08 PM


What version is the correct
The scripture has already been delivered via the discernment of the Holy Spirit,
What version is the correct version? Do you mind enlightening us on which version of the bible is the correct version? Also, if it isn't to personal what Christian sect are you a member of?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 212 of 295 (581470)
09-15-2010 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-15-2010 6:17 PM


Time to stop feeding the troll
All you have are rants and raves and assertions. Obviously you are incapable of backing anything you say with a rational argument. I have tried to get you to participate in a rational, adult discussion. You seem incapable of either.
When you grow up and are ready for a rational discourse let me know and I will respond to you arguments. Til then bye.
Again I highly suggest you read the forum rules.
Forum Rules
This current behavior will just get you suspended and possibly banned.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : You're Right

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 251 of 295 (582105)
09-19-2010 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-19-2010 8:21 PM


Lies? What lies?
Could please tell us what lies you are talking about? Also, please show us why they are lies.
Or are we supposed to just take your say-so that Ringo is posting lies?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 265 of 295 (582364)
09-20-2010 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-20-2010 10:34 PM


Re: Redactor
CAN this can be addressed. I have already shown that it says nothing of the sort and now me have wise acres posting further illedged quotes from illedged clergy. Ummm why?
Are you saying the signers of the Clergy Project Letter are not clergy?
Any evidence for this if this is what you are saying?
ABE
Illedged?
Does that mean they need to be sharpened?
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 267 of 295 (582373)
09-21-2010 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-21-2010 12:13 AM


But you are making the claim
You are the one making the claim that this an alleged(glad to see you discovered spell check) letter by alleged clergy. All you have to do is click the link that Jar gave. He has done his part in supporting with evidence. You on the other hand never support any of your assertions with evidence. You love to attack and make assertions but as of yet no evidence.
You make an assertion back it up.
And yes this is on topic. Jar explained clearly why it is on topic.
To continue looking at Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 in regard to inerrancy it might help to look further and see how Christian Clergy see it.
For example, in the Clergy Project Letter we see the following...
You made a claim seemingly accusing him of fabrication. I just want you to back up your claim with something.
Here are a few from the A's.
Are you claiming these are not christian clergy?
quote:
The Rev. Ann M. Aaberg, Pastor
Mystic Congregational Church
Mystic, CT
Pastor James Aalgaard
St. Paul Lutheran Church
Ontario, OR
Rebecca Johnson Aardahl
ELCA Chaplain
Missouri Slope Lutheran Care Center
Bismarck, ND
Pastor Wes Aardahl
Faith Lutheran Church (ELCA)
Bismarck, ND
The Rev. Charles L. Aaron, Jr., Ph.D.
Senior Pastor
Cornerstone United Methodist Church
Garland, TX
The Rev. Torben G. Aarsand
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Hagerstown, MD
The Rev. Pamela Abbey
United Methodist Church
Concord, CA
The Rev. Chad Abbott
Lockerbie Central UMC
Indianapolis, IN
The Rev. Jesse Abbott
Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, ELCA
Cincinnati, OH
The Rev. Dr. Mark Abbott, Dean
Northwest Texas Conference
The United Methodist Church
In Missionary Service
Seminario Evanglico Unido de Teologa
El Escorial, Spain
(US citizen)
Source
If so why?
but in here you seem to want to incite violence it's really really sad.
Why would you feel the need to get violent? That seems a bit over the top for an internet debate. I don't think any of us atheists feel incited to violence by you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 269 of 295 (582377)
09-21-2010 1:05 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by NOMA&NOPAAKAAN ORPHAN
09-21-2010 12:57 AM


Do you know what alleged means?
until the source has been proven to be what it alleges itself to be then it simply means that it is alleged to be what it is.
Evidence has been given. Look at the evidence.
You allege many things. None with evidence.
Now perhaps you could answer why introducing a whole bunch of views from an alleged list of people who are alleged to be clergy has to do with the price of fish??
I have already explained that Jar makes a justification of the relevance in his post. Your post here just confirms the fact that you are unable to back up your assertions.
Not on;y do you refuse to provide any evidence for your assertions, but refuse to even look at evidence presented to you.
if they claim to be clergy
Again you make statements suggesting they are not clergy. Why are they not clergy?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 278 of 295 (582419)
09-21-2010 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by purpledawn
09-21-2010 7:42 AM


Where he got info from
Not sure if you have found his source yet.
http://www.tektonics.org/jedp/creationtwo.html
JPH is James Patrick Holding
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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