Hey PD,
Sorry I didnt get back to you sooner.
Our debate is if authors in the Bible believed in the creation account. You gave some quotes outside of scripture in which the authors did not believe it to be fact. The problem though, is that we are debating if the Bible authors believed it true. I could also give quotes from early church fathers/Jews that accepted the creation account.
Neither of us though would be showing any evidence from such quotes that the authors of the Bible accepted it as myth or reality.
What evidence internally do you have that Paul or Jesus did not accept it as true?
The OT clearly points to Moses as the author of the first five books. It also claims Moses wrote down the law. I am not saying Moses was the author, which he was not, but the OT does lay out that he was.
Jesus tells his disciples to believe what Moses wrote.
Now to me, this would indicate that Jesus did accept the creation account as true.
Paul no doubt believed in the Genesis account.
Acts 24: 14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law and written in the Prophets, (ESV)
Romans 5: 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned
14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
1 Corinthians 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
2 Corinthians 11:3 (New International Version)
3But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
1 Timothy: 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Im sorry PD, I just cannot see how you think Paul believed it was a myth. Paul goes out of his way to connect Jesus with Adam. In fact, he explains why we need Jesus, bc of the first sin by Adam.
His message is that Jesus is needed due to this first sin. Paul also accepted the serpent as leading Eve astray.
Luke even gives the geneology of Jesus, traced right back to Adam. I have a hard time accepting that the author laid out the entire geneology of savior of mankind.............right back to someone who was not real.
Elsewhere in scripture geneologies are used, including Adam. Are you suggesting these authors also didnt accept Adam as a real person?
2 Peter 3: 3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
"Peter" makes mention of the beginning of creation and that the earth was formed out of water. Which is exactly what Genesis states.
Do you believe "Peter" also accepted Genesis as myth yet goes out of his way to compare how the world will end with how it began?
‘Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous’ (1 John 3:12).
Do you think the author of John accpted Cain to be a myth?
There is plenty of evidence to support the authors of the Bible believed the creaton account to be true.
What evidence do you have that they accepted it as a myth?
Thanks.
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