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Gemster
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Message 39 of 50 (57135)
09-23-2003 5:33 AM


proof
Unless I was there when God created the world with a video camera, I doubt whether we can provide any evidence that will convince anyone who doesn't want to believe. there are only arguments from analogy, but they can be accepted or dismissed in want of better evidence.
there is no more evidence for the metaphysical religion of evolution, but its adherents claim it is empirical science so feel as they dwell in a more intellectual arena. they also claim to have enough evidence, that faith is not even required. I could provide many quotes from evolutionary scientists that would demonstrate that this is far from a universal consensus in the scientific community but i will just give you one for now.
It was David Hull, a well-known philosopher of science, who wrote as early as 1965 that ". . . science is not as empirical as many scientists seem to think it is. Unobserved and even unobservable entities play an important part in it. Science is not just the making of observations: it is the making of inferences on the basis of observations within the framework of a theory."

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Gemster
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Message 44 of 50 (57343)
09-23-2003 9:36 PM


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Lets get the comments from an evolutionist to clarify the analogy between the fossil record and a video camera, I like quoting these fella's cos you should be putting up a united front but at unguarded moments these things slip out.
Few paleontologists have, I think, ever supposed that fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the conclusion that evolution has occurred. The fossil record doesn’t even provide any evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary theories, and revolutionary theories, and special creationist theories, and even ahistorical theories. [David B. Kitts (evolutionist), "Search for the Holy Transformation," Paleobiology, Vol. 5 (Summer 1979), pp. 353-354.]

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Gemster
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Message 46 of 50 (57585)
09-24-2003 9:17 PM


hi there
You seem to infer a lot from the quote that is not there. If you mean that he implies that there is corroborative evidence from other fields of scientific investigation, I could provide you with quotes from leading experts in those fields to show that the theory of evolution has got holes in it all over the place.
The fact that there is conflict between creationists is unfortunate if it is true, but one thing that they will never have to disagree on is that complex biological systems and inspiring design features in nature could come about by chance.

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