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Message 16 of 21 (567392)
06-30-2010 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Practical Prodigy
06-30-2010 11:14 PM


Specfic topic debate does not belong in a Coffee House "Hello" topic
We need to get this going in a better place, as suggested by my non-admin alter-ego, a couple of messages up.
Going to close this one down in about 15 minutes.
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ps: You are confusing philosophical naturalism (which is specifically anti-theistic) with methodological naturalism (which is agnostic - pretty much "don't know, don't care). This can be discussed further in a new topic.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Tweak and a ps.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Replaced "actively atheistic" with "anti-theistic".

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Message 18 of 21 (567403)
07-01-2010 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Practical Prodigy
06-30-2010 11:46 PM


Re: Specfic topic debate does not belong in a Coffee House "Hello" topic
I closed this topic, then saw your final message.
I'm not going to move anything out of this topic or in any other way start a new topic. That's your job.
Pull your basic position out of this topic (copy and paste if you wish) and post that material as a new topic at the Proposed New Topics forum. That will be admin reviewed and if up to standards (we're not that hard) will then be moved to a open debate forum.
Perhaps you would like to start with a topic on the differences between philosophical naturalism and methodological naturalism, since that seems to be a central point in the disagreement between you and the forums evolutionists.
I'll leave this topic open for at least a while, but all further messages should be about starting a new topic.
And let me introduce you to my catch phrase - "Or something like that".
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Message 20 of 21 (567407)
07-01-2010 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Practical Prodigy
06-30-2010 11:14 PM


Naturalisms
Looking at your wiki source I see I've blotched the naturalism thing somewhat.
Practical Prodigy quotes and writes:
Naturalism is a religious worldview, theistic evolutionists and accept the supernatural aspect of creation. Fundamental evolutionists believe in abiogenesis and hold a naturalists world view in most instances as does a majority of empirical science. The are based on the human experince and observable processes.

This stance is concerned with knowledge: what are methods for gaining trustworthy knowledge of the natural world? It is an epistemological view that is specifically concerned with practical methods for acquiring knowledge, irrespective of one's metaphysical or religious views. It requires that hypotheses be explained and tested only by reference to natural causes and events. Explanations of observable effects are considered to be practical and useful only when they hypothesize natural causes (i.e., specific mechanisms, not indeterminate miracles). Methodological naturalism is the principle underlying all of modern science. Naturalism - Wikipedia(philosophy)
If that isnt a religious worldview I dont know what is.
My color bolding. It specifically states that Methodological naturalism (or scientific naturalism) is independent of religious beliefs. What you seem to have conflict with is next at your wiki cite: Metaphysical naturalism. This is what I was erroneously calling philosophical naturalism.
quote:
(Metaphysical) naturalism is the metaphysical position that "nature is all there is, and all basic truths are truths of nature."
Metaphysical naturalism denies God's existence. Methodological naturalism does not - It doesn't care one way or the other - God's existence or lack of existence is irrelevant.
But all this needs to go to a theme specific topic elsewhere. Closing this one down. Please start a new topic with the specific theme of your choice.
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Message 21 of 21 (567512)
07-01-2010 12:43 PM


Thread Copied to Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution Forum
Thread copied to the Hello thread in the Creation/Evolution Miscellany forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.
{Testing editing closed topic}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.

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