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Thugpreacha
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Message 261 of 271 (823861)
11-18-2017 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by jar
08-26-2010 7:13 PM


Re: bye, bye, first cause.
jar writes:

So the most likely outcome is just that, people propose a god and after testing the response will be, "Nope, that god don't hunt."

Of course, the possibility may exist that GOD resists our attempts to detect Her.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Thugpreacha
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Message 263 of 271 (823865)
11-18-2017 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by jar
08-27-2010 9:44 AM


Re: bye, bye, first cause.
JBL,Long Ago Member writes:

I'm saying that if it is true that something cannot come from nothing (and so far I am unfamiliar with anything that says it can) then since something now exists, this requires that something always has existed. The key word here is "always." Because if there were ever a time when there was nothing, and something cannot come from nothing, then there would still only be nothing.

This guy actually made sense! I agree with his premise.

A singularity, if it once was, had to have always been. God, if God exists always existed. There is no logical way that something came from nothing.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Thugpreacha
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Message 267 of 271 (823905)
11-19-2017 4:31 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by jar
11-18-2017 8:08 AM


Re: bye, bye, first cause.
There is a lot to debate here, but I'm tired so I will start only with this one:

All of the evidence shows that this universe came into existence a little over 14 billion years ago.

Before that this universe simply did not exist.

So how did the substance that made up the universe after the Big Bang come into existence?

If the answer is spontaneous creation, the solution existed before the explosion, if only in the form of a thought---


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Thugpreacha
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Message 268 of 271 (823906)
11-19-2017 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by NoNukes
11-18-2017 9:34 AM


Re: bye, bye, first cause.
NN writes:

If you accept an unproven premise, then you can believe anything.

Ok, for the sake of argument I will state that I entertain his premise. It fits with my presuppositions. Technically I suppose I shouldn't accept it yet.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Thugpreacha
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Message 270 of 271 (823915)
11-19-2017 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by jar
11-19-2017 6:10 AM


Re: bye, bye, first cause.
Sounds rather Pantheistic to me. The universe created itself out of nothing over time? What was before the singularity?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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