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Topic: Detecting God
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 173 of 271 (573674)
08-12-2010 11:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 167 by riVeRraT
08-12-2010 7:34 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
I mean, I am telling you that the bible is subjective, and your faith is subjective, so what else would you expect from going to different churches? People read the bible, and many times, every time they read it, they learn something new from reading the same verse over and over. That's the beauty of it. Which is exactly what you would expect from a book of (sometimes) feel good, allegorical fables; not a book of facts. Which one is the bible touted as being?
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 180 of 271 (574697)
08-17-2010 10:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 178 by riVeRraT
08-17-2010 8:30 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
If you read about love, does it have the same meaning to you when you were a child, as it does today? As your view on the world changes, and your intelligence grows, the same wisdom read in a book can easily take on a new meaning. Not at all what I meant. Love is a feeling. "Wisdom" is not intelligence or knowledge. I said a book of facts. If I read a nuclear physics book 10 years ago, it still says exactly the same thing and means exactly the same thing today. It is inconceivable that I would pull a different "meaning" out of it.
The Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of truth. Once you know that truth, then the truth will set you free. Ahh, the christian "trvth". What is true for you may be true for YOU, not for me. I don't deal in truths, I deal in reason, logic and evidence. Facts are facts and are not up for discussion. Sure, the way we come to those facts are up for discussion, and the way those facts fit the evidence can be up for discussion. This is NOT the case for any denomination of any religion. You ALL interpret the same book in your own way and assert that YOUR way is the "truth" and the ONLY way. Again, this is simply the assertion that only people who believe what you believe and have already accepted on faith can see the "evidence". If your close friend told you he had a pink and blue zebra standing right next to you, but it could only be seen if you believed in it's majik powers, would you believe him? Would you take the leap of faith? What happens, then, if you do take the leap of faith and nothing happens and he says "oh, well you must not truly believe". Would you run and tell a bunch of strangers about his pink and blue majik zebra? That's what you religious types do, in my opinion. I was a believer at one point, quite recently. The only feeling I got out of it was a sense of belonging to a group. While a nice feeling it was, it wasn't a magic spirit or any such thing. It was comforting at the time, nothing more. Edited by hooah212002, : spelling error
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 182 of 271 (574712)
08-17-2010 12:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by sac51495
08-17-2010 11:36 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
What comprises a feeling? Fuck if I know. I'm not a philosopher.
I can interpret the 2nd law of thermodynamics Sure, you can interpret what the words say, but it IS what it IS. Your interpretation doesn't change what IS. Just like you can't interpret a tree to be made of limestone. That's partially my point: the bible is JUST a bunch of words open for interpretation to anyone, while you ALL claim to know exactly what they mean and be the final authority. "don't question god".
Why do there tend to be more mis-interpretations of the Word of God Because the "word of [insert deity of choice]" is just parables and mythical fairy tales written by man. They are feel good stories, so it is understandable that they are interpreted differently. The problem I have with that is the way religious types claim moral superiority because of their particular interpretation and claim it to be "trvth". Religion has practically changed the meaning of the word truth.
Because no one has a good reason for wanting to mis-interpret physical laws; Be my guest to misinterpret gravity. Just let me get my video camera when you jump off the empire state building.
....preaching.....bible quotes I can interpret those any way I wish and there is NO logical way you can tell me I am wrong. They are JUST words.
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 184 of 271 (574738)
08-17-2010 2:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 181 by sac51495
08-17-2010 11:36 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
but, oftentimes, the text of the Word of God will conflict with a man's anthropocentric ideology, so he will interpret the text in such a way that it does not condemn his anthropocentric actions and ideology. So here again, you have your own interpretation of how the bible is to be read and are judging how other people read it.
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 191 of 271 (575115)
08-18-2010 10:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 187 by sac51495
08-18-2010 9:57 PM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
Sure, you can interpret the Word of God to mean whatever you want...but it IS what it IS. Your - or anybody else' interpretation for that matter - interpretation does not change what it IS: Funny how your word of god is completely different from a Muslim or a Jew, or a Protestant or a Catholic or a Methodist. Like I said, your "word of god" is NOTHING more than mere words written by sheep herders 2000 years ago.
I can just as well say that the 2nd law of thermodynamics is exclusively words...But I believe that the Word of God is "living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Heb. 4:12). Do you understand the difference between written words and reality? I'm thinking the answer is no. The only "word of god" you have is words written by man. Would you care to provide some evidence here? I mean, that IS what this thread is about, isn't it? It's ok if you admit you have none. That is called integrity.
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 192 of 271 (575117)
08-18-2010 10:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 189 by sac51495
08-18-2010 10:15 PM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
the men who wrote the Bible were inspired by God Prove it.
so that the words were products not of men, but of God Prove it.
What basis is there for believing the words in the Bible to be any more true than other so-called inspired writings? There isn't. Certain people just choose to do so.
He wrote down with His own finger LMAO. Really, I really laughed at this one. So Moses wasn't needed? Anything, ANY writing you attribute to your sky-daddy was written by a man. Sorry to burst you bubble, pal. I really did chuckle. Thanks for the laugh.
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 198 of 271 (575262)
08-19-2010 8:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 197 by riVeRraT
08-19-2010 8:06 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
The bible has facts in it, and those facts do not change. Really? It's funny how NONE of you can name any pertinent to this topic, which is also key in validating your fairy tale book. The only possible facts in your group of books is possibly the names of some places. The topic is detecting god and none of you have provided a way to do so.
No, we all don't do that. The truth is the truth, you can't change truth. Again, "truth" is a meaningless word coming out of the mouth of a theist.
Really these simple ideas do not compare to God, or what is taught in the bible. It's too bad it's true though. Just because you don't like the analogy and have no refutation for it, doesn't mean it doesn't stand up.
I can't speak for everyone, but there are no blind reasons why I believe. Ok, name something then. Prove it.
The reasons I believe are very tangible to me, and some story or fairy tale, or yoda. Which is exactly why "truth" out of the mout of a theist is meaningless: what is "truth" to you mean diddly to me. remember, we are talking about detecting god here.
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 199 of 271 (575265)
08-19-2010 8:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 195 by riVeRraT
08-19-2010 7:49 AM
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Re: Science: objective? Nah.
Tom Sawyer is sold as a fiction book. And the bible IS a fiction book.......
"A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way"
-Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 203 of 271 (575527)
08-20-2010 10:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 201 by riVeRraT
08-20-2010 6:48 AM
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Re: Correct, but uselessly so
You also keep saying "prove it", as if to say you would only believe in something if it was proven. But nothing in life is ever really proven. Well, I can prove to you that my dog is real when he bites your ass. I can prove that pavement is hard by slamming you down on it. I can prove a horse is real by riding it. I can prove I have gas by ripping a stinky ass fart. Now prove your god is more real than my fart, because as it stands, he's not.
Which is why I mention truth. You mention truth because it is meaningless? Nice.
Your god believes in Unicorns
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